List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

Nova_Philomena

Prompt: Sebastian I of Portugal marries Infanta Isabel Clara Eugenia of Spain

Sebastian I of Portugal (b. 1554 d. 1620) m. Isabel Clara Eugenia of Spain (b. 1566 d. 1633)
  1. Sebastian, Prince of Portugal (b. 1582 d. 1603)
  2. Infanta Isabella of Portugal (b. 1583 d. 1610) m. Philip III of Spain (b. 1578 d. 1621)
  3. Infanta Joanna of Portugal (b. 1584 d. 1645) m. Henri IV of France (b. 1572 d. 1624) [1]
  4. Manuel II of Portugal (b. 1586 d. 1630) m. Constance of Austria (b. 1588 d. 1631)
  5. Felipe of Portugal, Duke of Viseu (b. 1588 d. 1627)
[1] Genderbent Son of Charles IX of France and Elisabeth of Austria.
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Nova_Philomena said:
Sebastian I of Portugal (b. 1554 d. 1578) m. Isabel Clara Eugenia of Spain (b. 1566 d. 1633)
  1. Sebastian, Prince of Portugal (b. 1582 d. 1603)
  2. Infanta Isabella of Portugal (b. 1583 d. 1610) m. Philip III of Spain (b. 1578 d. 1621)
  3. Infanta Joanna of Portugal (b. 1584 d. 1645) m. Henri IV of France (b. 1572 d. 1624) [1]
  4. Manuel II of Portugal (b. 1586 d. 1630) m. Constance of Austria (b. 1588 d. 1631)
  5. Felipe of Portugal, Duke of Viseu (b. 1588 d. 1627)
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How is Sebastian having kids after he's dead?
 

Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
Prompt: Sebastian I of Portugal marries Infanta Isabel Clara Eugenia of Spain

Sebastian I of Portugal (b. 1554 d. 1578) m. Isabel Clara Eugenia of Spain (b. 1566 d. 1633)
  1. Sebastian, Prince of Portugal (b. 1582 d. 1603)
  2. Infanta Isabella of Portugal (b. 1583 d. 1610) m. Philip III of Spain (b. 1578 d. 1621)
  3. Infanta Joanna of Portugal (b. 1584 d. 1645) m. Henri IV of France (b. 1572 d. 1624) [1]
  4. Manuel II of Portugal (b. 1586 d. 1630) m. Constance of Austria (b. 1588 d. 1631)
  5. Felipe of Portugal, Duke of Viseu (b. 1588 d. 1627)
[1] Genderbent Son of Charles IX of France and Elisabeth of Austria.
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Bro! All of sebastian's kids are born after he died!
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

Dragonboy said:
Another tree: Eleanor of autria marries Joao III
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Eleanor, Archduchess of Austria (1498-1558) m. John III, King of Portugal (1502-1557)

1) Maria I, Queen of Portugal (1519-1569) m. Henry IX, King of England (1516-1566) [1]
2) Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1520-1544) m. Dorothea, Princess of Denmark (1520-1580)
3) Joanna, Infanta of Portugal (1521-1577) m. a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536), b) Henry II, King of France (1519-1559) [2]
4) Eleanor, Infanta of Portugal (1524-1588) became nun
5) John, Prince of Portugal (1526-1531)
6) Isabella, Infanta of Portugal (1528-1588) m. Philip II, King of Spain (1527-1598)

[1] Male Mary I of England. Naturally he cannot have uterine cancer, so he lives longer.
[2] She never consummated her first marriage, Henry II/Catherine de Medici was annulled for non-consummation.
 
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Nova_Philomena

ordinarylittleme said:
Eleanor, Archduchess of Austria (1498-1558) m. John III, King of Portugal (1502-1557)

1) Maria I, Queen of Portugal (1519-1569) m. Henry IX, King of England (1516-1566) [1]
2) Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1520-1524)
3) Joanna, Infanta of Portugal (1521-1577) m. a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536), b) Henry II, King of France (1519-1559) [2]
4) Eleanor, Infanta of Portugal (1524-1588) m.
5) John, Prince of Portugal (1526-1531)
6) Isabella, Infanta of Portugal (1528-1588) m. Philip II, King of Spain (1527-1598)

[1] Male Mary I of England. Naturally he cannot have uterine cancer, so he lives longer.
[2] She never consummated her first marriage, Henry II/Catherine de Medici was annulled for non-consummation.
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I don't think anyone in Europe would allow the King of England to marry the Queen of Portugal. I am willing to bet Charles would disregard the age-gap and quickly arrange a marriage between Maria and Felipe. The others seem fine.
 

Dragonboy

ordinarylittleme said:
Eleanor, Archduchess of Austria (1498-1558) m. John III, King of Portugal (1502-1557)

1) Maria I, Queen of Portugal (1519-1569) m. Henry IX, King of England (1516-1566) [1]
2) Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1520-1544) m. Dorothea, Princess of Denmark (1520-1580)
3) Joanna, Infanta of Portugal (1521-1577) m. a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536), b) Henry II, King of France (1519-1559) [2]
4) Eleanor, Infanta of Portugal (1524-1588) m.
5) John, Prince of Portugal (1526-1531)
6) Isabella, Infanta of Portugal (1528-1588) m. Philip II, King of Spain (1527-1598)

[1] Male Mary I of England. Naturally he cannot have uterine cancer, so he lives longer.
[2] She never consummated her first marriage, Henry II/Catherine de Medici was annulled for non-consummation.
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I imagine that Henry became Enrique I by right of his wife: First son Henry X got england and the second John IV got portugal.
 

Nova_Philomena

Dragonboy said:
Better. Another idea: All of charles V and isabella's children live to old age.
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Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500 d. 1558) m. Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503 d. 1539)
  1. Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598) m. Maria Manuela of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) and Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1545 d. 1568) and Anna of Austria (b. 1549 d. 1580)
  2. Maria of Austria (b. 1528 d. 1603) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1527 d. 1576)
  3. Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1529 d. 1600) m. Elizabeth I of England (b. 1533 d. 1603) [1]
  4. John I, King of Naples (b. 1534 d. 1593) m. Renata of Lorraine (b. 1544 d. 1602)
  5. Joanna of Austria (b. 1535 d. 1573) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1554)
  6. Charles I, Duke of Milan (b. 1537 d. 1604) m. Claude of Valois (b. 1547 d. 1675)
  7. Manuel of Austria (b. 1539 d. 1550) [2]
[1] Forced by Mary I.
[2] Church Career.
 
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Dragonboy

Nova_Philomena said:
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500 d. 1558) m. Isabella of Portugal (b. 1503 d. 1539)
  1. Philip II of Spain (b. 1527 d. 1598) m. Maria Manuela of Portugal (b. 1527 d. 1545) and Elisabeth of Valois (b. 1545 d. 1568) and Anna of Austria (b. 1549 d. 1580)
  2. Maria of Austria (b. 1528 d. 1603) m. Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1527 d. 1576)
  3. Ferdinand I, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1529 d. 1600) m. Elizabeth I of England (b. 1533 d. 1603) [1]
  4. John I, Duke of Milan (b. 1534 d. 1593) m. Renata of Lorraine (b. 1544 d. 1602)
  5. Joanna of Austria (b. 1535 d. 1573) m. João Manuel, Prince of Portugal (b. 1537 d. 1554)
  6. Charles IV of Naples (b. 1537 d. 1604) m. Claude of Valois (b. 1547 d. 1675)
  7. Manuel of Austria (b. 1539 d. 1550) [2]
[1] Forced by Mary I.
[2] Church Career.
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Naples for John and Milan for Charles.
 

Kellan Sullivan

ordinarylittleme said:
Charles V, King of Spain (1818-1861) m. Isabella II, Queen of Spain (1830-1904)

1) Charles VI, King of Spain (1850-1902) m. Louise, Princess of the United Kingdom (1848-1939) with issue
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highly improbable. Mostly because Victoria wasn't willing to let Alice marry to Pedro in Portugal (who she personally liked), I doubt she'd allow Loosey (a daughter she "disliked" for want of a better term) to marry a man she doesn't like. AFAIK, the only foreign marriage ever kicked around for Louise was to the comte de Paris.
ordinarylittleme said:
2) Maria, Infanta of Spain (1853-1918) m. Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria (1858-1889) with issue
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with such a big age gap? change it to one of her younger sisters please
ordinarylittleme said:
3) Carlotta, Infanta of Spain (1856-1904) m. Louis-Napoléon, Prince Imperial (1856-1879) [1] with issue
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why funny? This would be Empress Eugenie, Isabel II and Henri de Chambord's chocolate covered wet dream. Especially if Chambord adopts Louis as his heir like he planned to OTL
ordinarylittleme said:
4) Ferdinand, Infante of Spain (1859-1924) never married and had no issue, suspected to be gay
5) Luisa, Infanta of Spain (1862-1922) m. Nicholas II, Emperor of Russia (1868-1928) [2] with issue
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nope. Match would found for the same reason as a pairing suggested between the duchess of Galliera's children and those of Kirill Vladimirovich's: religion. Spain won't allow them to convert from Catholicism and the Romanovs won't accept a Catholic grand duchess/empress.
 

Kellan Sullivan

Nova_Philomena said:
Louis de Lorraine, Duke of Orléans (b. 1594 d. 1610) m. Maria Appollonia of Savoy (b. 1594 d. 1640) [1]
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he'd marry the OTL duchesse de Vendôme, to secure her lands for the crown and prevent anyone claiming the throne (or rather, Brittany) through her.
Nova_Philomena said:
[2] Daughter of Henri of Bourbon (King of Navarre) and Marie de' Medici.
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minus the need to convert to Catholicism, he won't marry Maria. She'll likely end up with Rudolf II instead
 
The Gybson Boy

The Gybson Boy

PoD: Mary I's pregnancies in 1554-1555 and 1557-1557 are real

- Mary I, Queen of England (February 18, 1516 - November 10, 1564) (Died at 48) m. Felipe II, King of the Spains (May 21, 1527 - September 13, 1598) (Died at 71)
1.Phillip II, King of England (April 30, 1555 - December 01, 1633) (Died at 78) married Anna of Austria (November 02, 1549 - November 01, 1621) (Died at 71)
  1. Philip III, King of England (February 12, 1570 - January 07, 1642) (Died at 71) married a)Louise Henriette of France (September 12, 1575 - April 08, 1608) (Died at 32)[1]; b)Jadwiga of Poland (June 25, 1588 - December 01, 1657) (Died at 69) [2]
    1. a)Princess Catherine of England (June 14, 1592 )
    2. a)Philip IV, King of England (October 26, 1594)
    3. a)Princess Mary of England (January 31, 1596)
    4. a)Princess Philippa of England (August 31, 1598)
    5. a)Philip, Duke of Carrickfergus (April 30, 1600)
    6. a)Princess Henrietta Anna of England (November 30, 1604)
    7. b)Princess Cecily of England (August 30, 1613 -)
    8. b)Princess Hedwig of England (October 30, 1615 -)
  2. Mary, Holy Roman Empress (March 04, 1572 - November 03, 1631) (Died at 59) married Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor (January 20, 1579 - January 21, 1640) (Died at 61) [3]
    1. Katharina of Austria (May 06, 1601)
    2. Christina of Austria (September 30, 1603)
    3. Maximilian of Austria (June 30, 1605 - November 06, 1606) (Died at 01)
    4. Maria of Austria (January 29, 1609)
    5. Anna of Austria (December 27, 1611)
    6. Ferdinand III Paul, Holy Roman Emperor (October 21, 1615)
  3. Charles, 1st Duke of York (June 01, 1574 - April 20, 1634) (Died at 59) married Margaret Stuart (January 11, 1575 - March 19, 1637) (Died at 62) [4]
    1. Anthony, 2nd Duke of York (June 13, 1590)
    2. Mary of York (October 04, 1592)
    3. Philippa of York (April 30, 1595)
    4. Charles of York (March 13, 1597)
  4. Arthur, 1st Duke of Richmond (December 18, 1575 - November 09, 1631) (Died at 55) married Elizabeth Manners, 15th Baroness Ros (January 1574 or 1575 - 06 August 1625) (Died at 51)
    1. Philip, 2nd Duke of Richmond (March 20, 1595 - October 10, 1648) (Died at 53)
    2. Elizabeth of Richmond (February 07, 1598 - March 17, 1667) (Died at 69)
  5. Catherine, Queen of France (December 02, 1576 -October 17, 1632) (Died at 55) marrie Henri IV, King of France (November 17, 1581 - June 11, 1655) (Died at 73)
    1. Henri V, King of France (February 07, 1598)
    2. Charles, Duke of Anjou (December 28, 1600)
  6. Edmund, Duke of Leinster (October 02, 1578 - May 27, 1629) (Died at 50) married Lady Mary Howard (July 07, 1585 - November 09, 1636) (Died at 51) [5]
    1. Anne of Leinster (April 18, 1602)
    2. Catherine of Leinster (December 25, 1604)
    3. Mary of Leinster (August 23, 1608)
    4. Elizabeth of Leinster (August 23, 1608)
  7. Philippa, Princess of Asturias (August 09, 1580 - April 14, 1651) (Died at 70) married Fernando, Prince of Asturias (March 01, 1582 - November 01, 1625) (Died at 43) [6]
    1. Felipe, Prince of Asturias (Ocotber 11, 1598)
    2. Infante Juan of Spain (July 31, 1600)
    3. Infanta Isabel Filipina of Spain (October 12, 1602)
    4. Infanta Mariana da Anunciación of Spain (March 25, 1605)
    5. Infanta Cristina of Spain (July 24, 1608)
  8. Agnes, Queen of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (January 21, 1584 - May 06, 1650) (Died at 66) married Christian IV, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (June 09, 1595 - November 07, 1662) (Died at 77) [7]
    1. Princess Agnes of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (May 03, 1604)
    2. Harald IV, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (August 04, 1606)
    3. Princess Katharina of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (September 19, 1609)
    4. Prince Christian of Denmark, Norway and Sweden (June 15, 1614)
  9. Sophia, Duchess of Savoy (May 17, 1586 - September 15, 1632) (Died at 46) married Filippo Emanuele I, Duke of Savoy (April 02, 1586 - May 24, 1638) (Died at 52) [8]
    1. Carlo Emanuele of Savoy (February 08, 1604 - April 04, 1617) (Died at 13)
    2. Filippo Emanuele II, Duke of Savoy (July 06, 1608)
    3. Sofia Dorotea (October 28, 1611)
    4. Vittorio Emanuele of Savoy (February 24, 1613)
    5. Francesco of Savoy (April 07, 1617)
    6. Maria Elizabetta of Savoy (March 21, 1620)
2.Catherine, Holy Roman Empress (March 25, 1558 - May 17, 1621) (Died at 63) married Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (March 28, 1551 - December 25, 1614) (Died at 63) [9]
  1. Maria Magdalena, Crown Archduchess-Infanta of Milan (July 22, 1577 - November 04, 1613) (Died at 36) married Carlo, Crown Archduke-Infante of Milan (November 20, 1582 - February 17, 1646) (Died at 63) [10]
    1. No Children
  2. Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor (January 20, 1579 - January 21, 1640) (Died at 61) married Mary of England (March 04, 1572 - November 03, 1631) (Died at 59)
    1. Katharina of Austria (May 06, 1601)
    2. Christina of Austria (September 30, 1603)
    3. Maximilian of Austria (June 30, 1605 - November 06, 1606) (Died at 01)
    4. Maria of Austria (January 29, 1609)
    5. Anna of Austria (December 27, 1611)
    6. Ferdinand III Paul, Holy Roman Emperor (October 21, 1615)
  3. Maximilian I, Byzantine Emperor (February 17, 1581 - November 08, 1641) (Died at 60) (Archduke Maximilian III of Further Austria between 1595 and 1619) [11] married a)Maria, Archduchess of Further Austria (June 16, 1585 - February 1, 1609) (Died at 24) [12]; b)Olga of Russia (July 08, 1585 - Ocotber 13, 1650) (Died at 65)
    1. a)Maria of Austria (December 11, 1603 -)
    2. b)Constantine XII, Byzantine Emperor (October 13, 1619)
    3. b)Maximilian, Duke of Sparta (February 17, 1621)
    4. b)Olga of Byzantium (May 21, 1625)
  4. Katharina, Duchess Consort of Parma (May 01, 1583 - December 26, 1627) (Died at 44) married Ranuccio I, Duke of Parma (March 28, 1569 - March 05, 1622) (Died at 52)
    1. Maria Farnesse (March 29, 1599)
    2. Oddoardo I, Duke of Parma (July 15, 1600)
    3. Francesco Maria Farnesse (April 16, 1603)
    4. Alessandro Farnesse (October 30, 1606)
    5. Caterina Farnesse (February 08, 1611)
  5. Emma, Duchess Consort of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (April 15, 1585 -June 2, 1655) (Died at 70) married Wilhelm II, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (September 09, 1575 - May 06, 1621) (Died at 45) [13]
    1. Emma of Cleves (August 02, 1601)
    2. Karl II, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg (March 16, 1604)
    3. Dorothea of Cleves (November 25, 1606 - August 29, 1611) (Died at 04)
    4. Katharina of Cleves (June 25, 1609)
    5. Wilhelm of Cleves (October 25, 1612 - December 12, 1616) (Died at 04)
    6. Sybille of Cleves (January 08, 1615 - April 05, 1629) (Died at 14)
    7. Johanna of Cleves (November 14, 1619 - June 07, 1626) (Died at 06)
  6. Cardinal Ferdinand III, Archduke of Further Austria (March 31, 1588) [14]
[1]Daughter of Henri III and Louise of Lorraine
[2]Sigismund II Augustus has children with Catherine of Austria in 1555, Jadwiga is the granddaughter of Sigismund II
[3]This is not Rudolf II from OTL, but rather a son of OTL Rudolf II's older brother, Ferdinand, who in OTL died in infancy
[4]Margaret Stuart is the second daughter of Mary, Queen of Scots and Henry, Lord Danley
[5]OTL Twin Sister, Thomas Howard, 14th Earl of Arundel
[6] With Mary I living longer, the marriage of Don Carlos and Elisabeth de Valois ends up being successful, Fernando is the eldest son of Carlos III, the eldest son of Don Carlos and Elisabeth de Valois. Unfortunately, both Fernando and his son Felipe die before Carlos III and Carlos ends up being succeeded by his great-grandson Carlos IV Baltazar
[7] Hans of Denmark survived and Christian IV was able to regain the throne of Denmark, Norway and Sweden in the Count's Feud, Christian IV is the Great-Great Grandson of Christian II and the Great-Grandson of Hans II
[8]The marriage of Emanule Filisbert of Savoy and Elizabeth Tudor took place in 1559, Filippo Emanuele I is their grandson
[9]Ferdinand II is the eldest son of Maximilian II who died in OTL, here it is OTL Rudolf II who dies in 1554 and Ferdinand lives
[10]In 1580, Philip II of Spain passes the Duchy of Milan to the second son of Don Carlos and Elisabeth of Valois, Filippo II, Duke of Milan, Carlo is the son of Filippo II
[11] A dynastic civil war occurred in the Ottoman Empire from 1598 to 1612, giving the Christians the perfect opportunity to launch a Tenth Crusade, leading to the restoration of the Byzantine Empire in 1619.
[12]Daughter of Ferdinand II of Austria, she died giving birth to the couple's only daughter
[13]Karl Wilhelm of Jülich-Cleves-Berg survives and has children, Wilhelm II is his eldest son
[14] After Maximilian became Emperor of Byzantium in 1619 he renounced his title of Archduke of Additional Austria in favor of his brother, but Ferdinand ended up refusing to abandon his vows to marry
 
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