Oh no, not Johann of Cleves! Still, I suppose subduing Cleves may be better for the stability of the low countries in the long term...
The Grand Duchy of the West - A Valois-Burgundian TL
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It certainly adds to their posessions. Plus you have to settle bad blood one way or another. No Anne of Cleves now, but Arnold and Maria might have a daughter of a similar age.
Thank Paint 3D! Plus it helps me with keeping track of where all of Philip's posessions are right now.
I think Grand Duke Philip would disagree with you. Our boy is proving to be quite the conqueror. Dad would be proud.
Amen to that. And hopefully he'll prove himself a defender as well, with Charles invasion and all.
He's a lot better than his dad, as Brabant has many allies here, amongst other Lorraine, England and Austria.
It's not exactly a high bar to be honest. But on the whole, Charles the Bold's children didn't end up to bad.
Mary became duchess consort of Lorraine and the linchpin of a alliance with the neighboring duchy.
Philip became the Grand Duke and annexed quite a lot of land, even if he lost the Duchy of Burgundy.
Isabelle became queen consort of France and mother to the dauphin.
John became Count of Saint-Pol and his brother's trusted man.
Anne is the Queen of the Romans and the prospective next Holy Roman Empress.
Pretty sweet to be honest.
Although isabelle must be heartbroken that her husband is warring with her brother.
Isabelle isn't gonna have the best time soon. Neither is Isabella of Portugal, the dauphine.
In all fairness its not just them, it Lorraine, Austria and England as well.