Rosa Sine Spina: Kitty Howard Is Pregnant in 1541

I: York, July 1541
So: My creativity has hit rock bottom recently - I know *what* I want to write, but I haven't written a word for weeks. I'm hoping that, by posting the new TL I've promised you all, it might serve as a spur to get on and write again, either for this or for 'Titulus'.

As promised, therefore, have the first chapter of my 'Kitty Howard really was pregnant' TL!


York, July 1541

“You’re sure?” Cranmer fixes Brandon with a searching look, “You know His Majesty is besotted with Queen Katherine. We cannot even dream of moving against her unless we are certain that there are serious questions to be answered about Her Majesty’s conduct. His Grace won’t listen to mere rumour, not with how infatuated he is.”

Brandon spreads his hands, “My most trusted man caught sight of the Queen taking her leave of Master Culpepper at the bottom of her Privy Stairs at two in the morning. He knows what he saw. Oh, Lady Rochford was with them, but we all know she’s in Norfolk’s pay. She has been since she gave evidence against her husband and his sister. Besides, even if that weren’t the case, what chaperone worth their salt would let the most important woman in England behave so improperly? You mark my words; the Howards are hiding something. Surely we owe it to the King, to England, to try and find out what it is?”

“Well, when you put it like that, Lord Suffolk…”

Cranmer gets no further, for Brandon’s second daughter, the Baroness Monteagle, suddenly pushes her way into the room, dark curls blown about haphazardly by the wind. The colour is high in her usually sallow cheeks, and her grey eyes are bright with urgency. She has clearly rushed here on a matter of some importance, a fact which is only highlighted when she starts speaking before she has even fully entered the room.

“Father -” She breaks off as her gaze lights upon Cranmer and offers him a swift curtsy, “My Lord Archbishop.”

“Lady Monteagle,” Cranmer returns the acknowledgement, and Brandon hurries over to his daughter, raising her to her feet and pushing a cup of watered wine into her hand.

“Mary! You know what the physicians said! You’re not as strong as you used to be, and besides, this heat is sapping everyone’s strength. You must take more care, my darling. Drink this and catch your breath. Whatever you have to tell us can’t be so important that it’s worth you passing out.”

Mary bears her father’s fussing with ill-concealed impatience. The wine he has pushed into her hand, however, truly is welcome, and she drinks deeply, before looking between her father and Cranmer.”

“I know that look, Father,” she says archly, raising an eyebrow in just the way her lady stepmother has taught her, “You’re plotting something. Well, I warn you. If your mischief concerns moving against the Queen, then give it up. Give it up now. His Majesty won’t hear a word against her. Not now she’s with child.”

Brandon’s mouth falls open, “Queen Catherine is with child? Mary, are you sure?”

Mary bobs her head in confirmation, “I heard it confirmed by Dr Butts not an hour ago. Not that there was really any doubt anyway. Her Grace’s breasts are tender and she’s been sick every morning for the past fortnight. Any woman who’s ever been a mother knows what that means.”

Mary lifts her cup to her lips once more, surprisingly calm now that her message has been delivered. The two men share a horrified look over her head.

This changes everything. No matter what questions there are over Queen Katherine’s conduct, she is all but invincible, so long as the King knows no different than that the child in her belly is his. He won’t hear word against her. Not when she could be carrying a Duke of York.

As long as the King knows no different…” The faintest glimmer of an idea comes to Brandon and he glances at his daughter.

“Mary. Do you know whether the King has been told yet?”

Mary shrugs, “I would assume so. Queen Katherine had every intention of telling him as soon as they went into dine.”

No sooner have the words left her mouth than their conference is interrupted by a great wordless bellow of joy from several rooms away.

Brandon curses inwardly. That’s it then. The King knows. He’ll never believe a word against his darling Kitty now. The Howards have won, damn and blast them. Indeed, if the baby in Queen Katherine’s belly turns out to be a boy and, God forbid, anything happens to Prince Edward, then they will have won the war, never mind the battle.

All Brandon will be able to do, in that scenario, will be to decide whether he wants Kate and the children to live in that England or not.
 
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Another TL! Queen, you spoil us! Be careful that you don’t burn out <3 Hopefully things go well for Kitty here. I wonder if Henry is the actual father of this kid
 
Another TL! Queen, you spoil us! Be careful that you don’t burn out <3 Hopefully things go well for Kitty here. I wonder if Henry is the actual father of this kid
Yes, I will have to be careful. Although, at least Queen Twice Over is all but done, I've just got the family trees and cast lists to do.

And it doesn't matter. By English Common Law, he's the child's legal father because he's Kitty's husband, unless he declares otherwise.
 
Yes, I will have to be careful. Although, at least Queen Twice Over is all but done, I've just got the family trees and cast lists to do.

And it doesn't matter. By English Common Law, he's the child's legal father because he's Kitty's husband, unless he declares otherwise.
Kitty is my fave wife so I’m excited
 
Henry VIII is already obese and his leg injury is not making things any better

The foreign policies of Edward iV and Henry VII has enabled the French monarchy to centralized power in France

Turning the Kingdom which is the most populated kingdom in Europe of around 25 million to become a great power

Only match by the Hasburge collection of territories

For English they only have two really foreign policies sea power or conquer lands in France with Sea power it take a lot of investment

It was not until the brief English commonwealth in the mid 17th century that the English really started investing in the navy

The future King Henry iX or King Jon II could change that or be drawn into a bloody war with France if they go after Calais in 1558

And the French wars of religion begin in the 1560s

Their is Scotland as well which it an invasion point into English which was not successful closed until the act of Union in 1707 between England and Scotland

Which it a bit embarrassing with Scotland having a population of 400,000 people

Do you wonder what would have happened if otl King Jon was made king of England in 1189 but with Richard the Lionheart getting the rest

If you are looking for other idears
 
I am very eager to see where this goes. I do hope Kitty has a son.
Ah, well, that would be spoilers, wouldn't it!
Oh this will be good
This is going to be interesting, watched!
I certainly hope so, thank you ❤
Henry VIII is already obese and his leg injury is not making things any better

The foreign policies of Edward iV and Henry VII has enabled the French monarchy to centralized power in France

Turning the Kingdom which is the most populated kingdom in Europe of around 25 million to become a great power

Only match by the Hasburge collection of territories

For English they only have two really foreign policies sea power or conquer lands in France with Sea power it take a lot of investment

It was not until the brief English commonwealth in the mid 17th century that the English really started investing in the navy

The future King Henry iX or King Jon II could change that or be drawn into a bloody war with France if they go after Calais in 1558

And the French wars of religion begin in the 1560s

Their is Scotland as well which it an invasion point into English which was not successful closed until the act of Union in 1707 between England and Scotland

Which it a bit embarrassing with Scotland having a population of 400,000 people

Do you wonder what would have happened if otl King Jon was made king of England in 1189 but with Richard the Lionheart getting the rest

If you are looking for other idears
No, it's not. But trying to keep up with a youthful wife IS helping.

Thank you for the ideas, but I think I've got my hands more than full just at the moment. Don't tempt me!
 
Henry VIII is already obese and his leg injury is not making things any better

The foreign policies of Edward iV and Henry VII has enabled the French monarchy to centralized power in France

Turning the Kingdom which is the most populated kingdom in Europe of around 25 million to become a great power

Only match by the Hasburge collection of territories

For English they only have two really foreign policies sea power or conquer lands in France with Sea power it take a lot of investment

It was not until the brief English commonwealth in the mid 17th century that the English really started investing in the navy

The future King Henry iX or King Jon II could change that or be drawn into a bloody war with France if they go after Calais in 1558

And the French wars of religion begin in the 1560s

Their is Scotland as well which it an invasion point into English which was not successful closed until the act of Union in 1707 between England and Scotland

Which it a bit embarrassing with Scotland having a population of 400,000 people

Do you wonder what would have happened if otl King Jon was made king of England in 1189 but with Richard the Lionheart getting the rest

If you are looking for other idears
Charles I invested heavily in the navy before the civil war. Indeed that’s why it’s loss to parliament was such a big blow.
 
Charles I invested heavily in the navy before the civil war. Indeed that’s why it’s loss to parliament was such a big blow.
True but it was the commonwealth that did the most that why I used that point in time

It like me saying the 100 years War began in 1294 with the Anglo French for of 1294 to 1298 yes it's true but historicallyn we marke start date as 1337

Ah, well, that would be spoilers, wouldn't it!


I certainly hope so, thank you ❤

No, it's not. But trying to keep up with a youthful wife IS helping.

Thank you for the ideas, but I think I've got my hands more than full just at the moment. Don't tempt me!
Are you thinking he starts making a fiscal recovery and regains he old health he dead in otl at age 55 due to his illness
 
Mary bobs her head in confirmation, “I heard it confirmed by Dr Linacre not an hour ago. Not that there was really any doubt anyway. Her Grace’s breasts are tender and she’s been sick every morning for the past fortnight. Any woman who’s ever been a mother knows what that means.”
Dr. Thomas Linacre had died in 1524 aged 63 or 64, in 1541 Sir William Butts was the King's physician until his own death in 1545, after that Thomas Wendy became physician royal to Henry VIII, Edward VI and Queen Mary.
 
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One of the most potentially interesting effects of this is how it affects the Succession Act if 1543. Also the Duke of Norfolk may not fall to Seymour machinations here.
 
I know what the title is but when I read Queen Katherine I was very confused... then I realised its Queen Katherine Howard not 'of Aragon' LOL

Great start. Hoping Kitty delivers a healthy boy, or healthy twins boys for funs.
 
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