I feel bad for the poor sap who has to run against Pershing in 1932 if that's the direction you go. The Democrats will have to find someone who is a war hero in their own right in an attempt to blunt the Pershing juggernaut. Maybe FDR steps up to the plate to take one for the team here? He's a war hero in his own right from Hilton Head after all.More like Red Jack amirite?!
I agree with this 100% because I am going to keep pushing FDR as the Harold Stassen of this timeline.I feel bad for the poor sap who has to run against Pershing in 1932 if that's the direction you go. The Democrats will have to find someone who is a war hero in their own right in an attempt to blunt the Pershing juggernaut. Maybe FDR steps up to the plate to take one for the team here? He's a war hero in his own right from Hilton Head after all.
You’d be guessing correctI'm guessing those states would be Arizona, Utah and Alaska.
While Pershing would be a formidable name for ‘32 (not tipping my hand either way), one could make a case that he’d be less of a force by then than he would be in, say, 1920. The Grant/Sherman vibe is intentional, but only to a point.I feel bad for the poor sap who has to run against Pershing in 1932 if that's the direction you go. The Democrats will have to find someone who is a war hero in their own right in an attempt to blunt the Pershing juggernaut. Maybe FDR steps up to the plate to take one for the team here? He's a war hero in his own right from Hilton Head after all.
As for FDR, while this idea makes me chuckle, I have a fairly novel way of deep-sixing his political career without killing him off or even giving him polio that I’m very excited aboutI agree with this 100% because I am going to keep pushing FDR as the Harold Stassen of this timeline.
I agree with this 100% because I am going to keep pushing FDR as the Harold Stassen of this timeline.
Stassen as Dem is an idea, certainly. One thing to keep in mind though is that as the Prairie Populist agenda largely gets passed in the Hearst era and then the 1920s, and urbanization takes off, the dynamics in the Farm Belt will start to diverge from those of the Mine Belt (you’re already seeing this with the West Coast states being swingier, California especially) and what precisely constitutes “the Western Wall” will change, much as the Liberal fortress in New England cracks from demographic and economic changes a generation earlier.This makes me wonder what will become of the actual Harold Stassen in the Cinqo-verse. Minnesota is a heavily Dem state and my gut tells me that Stassen would be a Liberal; but he was pretty Progressive in OTL - strong supporter of civil rights (though he would share that with the ATL Liberals), good relations with labor, supporter of a universal income - so he might be drawn to the Dems here, in which case he wouldn't have much standing in his way from ascending the ladder.
Something I'm sure, was vigorously opposed by every Congressman from the Empire State.The result, in which New York was once again the decisive state and which Root won by less than his national margin, once again raised concerns about the criticality of that state in national elections as effectively forcing New Yorkers upon both parties (and, to a lesser extent, Ohioans as running mates), and the 1916 elections were the penultimate contest to use the electoral college rather than a pure popular vote system
32 stars is a awkward number in terms of having good flag designsWe’ve still got several states to go, fear not! (I agree on your aesthetic argument re: the flag irregardless haha)
The maps are SVG, you can directly edit the maps with a program like inkscape and change the colors.How do you get the map so nice? Like, there's always those borders I'm too lazy to paint over, this is clean.
Rereading this, I think I'm starting to see why Wadsworth won in 1920 - I'm guessing the Democrats ran on a platform of explicitly abolishing the Electoral College, were consequently roundly defeated in New York, but won everywhere else so hard it didn't matter and they had sufficient support to pass the amendment. 1920 is possibly the first election since before the War of Secession where the loser won New York, isn't it?The result, in which New York was once again the decisive state and which Root won by less than his national margin, once again raised concerns about the criticality of that state in national elections as effectively forcing New Yorkers upon both parties (and, to a lesser extent, Ohioans as running mates)
Thanks for the advice!The maps are SVG, you can directly edit the maps with a program like inkscape and change the colors.
PERSHING '32he became the oldest President at the time of his inauguration, a record that would stand for sixteen years.
PERSHING '32
I was thinking Owl for Liberals and a throwback in the rooster for Democrats, as it was in Jacksonian times - the rooster and donkey were interchangeable for quite some time and I like the idea of both parties being symbolized by birdsWhether it's Pershing or not, I wonder whomever the candidate is, as well as Root, leads to the stereotype or Liberals always running old distinguished men for the Presidency.
Maybe they get stuck with the label "GOP" for "Grey Old Party"
Speaking of nicknames and symbols - what's the popular symbol for the Liberal Party? If I'm remembering the political cartoon shorthand, the Donkey had already been used for the Dems from well before the POD. But the Elephant didn't get associated with the Republicans until the 1870s thanks to Nast.
I wonder what he used for the Liberals here? Maybe an Owl because they are more meritocratic and technocratic and therefor 'wise'?
They'll be fine, especially as long as they and the Liberals have their ceasefire agreement in place.The Socialist are holding on, they need to survive the democrats trying to absorb them into the fold. America needs to have more than two parties in its political system. Besides, Sewer Socialism is extremely underrated and needs to be viable in the future.
They were exchanged back to the US with no problem.What ever happened to the congressmen and or senators captured in DC at the beginning of the war?