Shuffling the Canon REDUX: A Shuffled Disney & Pixar TL Redone
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I take it that The Lion King was Disney's first original film ITTL? Regardless I've been curious to see how The Lion King would be made and what it would be like if it were produced several decades earlier. Also is RKO Radio Pictures still Disney's distributor or did they start distributing their own works under the Buena Vista banner (like they did IOTL In 1955)?
Is Rusty Robin as significant ITTL as Tinker Bell is IOTL (aka the second biggest mascot behind Mickey)?
If we're talking about original films, that honour would go to The Nightmare Before Christmas, even though it took cues from three existing works.
Buena Vista happens like IOTL since I don't see any foreseeable changes here.
For the time being, yes.
at least until Tinker Bell herself shows up
Fantasia (1959)
Fantasia (1959)
"Walt Disney's Fantasia, Magnum Opus or Swan Song?" -The Hollywood Reporter, January 15th 1959
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Taken from an episode of "Walt Disney Presents", produced December 1958
Walt Disney: Good evening everybody. Before I start today's episode, I'd like to share with you all our latest feature: Fantasia. Fantasia combines both mirthful music composed by Bach, Mussorgky and Tchaikovsky with the artform of animation. When you watch Fantasia, you'll experience the joy of both music and art. So I invitie you to join in on this new experience and milestone in animation, Fantasia. Now, on with the show!
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Fantasia was easily Walt's most ambitious and riskiest feature. The origins of Fantasia traces all the way back to 1937, when the popularity of Mickey Mouse was starting to decline. To boost Mickey's popularity, Walt decided to produce a deluxe Mickey Mouse short set to Paul Dukas's "L'aprenti Sorcier". Soon, Walt found a collaborator in Leopold Stokowski, whom he had coincidentally met during lunch and who had offered to conduct the short for Walt. Recording sessions with the Philadelphia Philharmonic Orchestra commenced on January 9th 1938. As production on "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" continued, Walt realised that there was no way the short alone could ever earn back its budget. After discussions with Stokowski and the studio, it was decided that the short would be expanded and incorporated into a feature film with other segments set to classical music, titled "The Concert Feature".
"The Concert Feature" was initially set for a November 1940 release. However, anger from composer Igor Stravinsky over "The Rite of Spring" and troubled production with "The Pastoral Symphony" caused delays. Ultimately "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" took the 1940 slot with the now complete "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" releasing alongside the film. "The Concert Feature", now re-titled "Fantasia", was now set for a 1942 or 1943 release. However Walt, Stokowski and the storymen at Disney Studios couldn't select the appropiate music pieces in time and couldn't reach a compromise. By then, Stokowski's contract had expired and World War 2 had came to America. "Fantasia" was shelved indefinately while the studio focused on package features.
By 1950, the econimic situation had stabled in the Disney Studio and Walt was ready to return to "Fantasia". Because of Walt's ambition, the skyrocketing budget and production coinciding with other features such as "The Black Cauldron" and "The Lion King", production on "Fantasia" spanned across the entire 1950s decade. The Philadelphia Orchestra returned for a final time to record the last pieces in December 1953, animation work started in Summer 1954 and ended by Christmas 1957 (the film's initial release window), and all remaining work (including live-action sequences) was done by the end of 1958. To familiarise audiences with such a darring film, Mickey Mouse would be a co-host alongside Walt and Leopold Stokowski (1) and Donald Duck would star in Edward Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance". Adn to enhance the viewing experience, Walt decided to film "Fantasia" in the new Technirama 70mm format, dubbed "Fantasma 70" in advertisments (2).
For the music segments itself, many pieces were thrown back and forth, notable examples include "Ride of the Valkyries" and "Adventures in a Perambulator". Ultimately Walt settled on these eight pieces:
Fantasia starts with Bach's "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor", depicting the instruments of the orchestra merging and becoming one with light and color. Next up was Tchaikosvky's "The Nutcracker Suite", pixies and flowers come to life and dance within nature, all while the seasons rapidly change. The third and arguably most famous segment was Edward Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance", a re-telling of Noah's Ark with Donald Duck as the main star. Mussorgky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" would be the last segment before the intermission, it depicts painting and sculptures coming to life in both a comical yet serious tone.
Fantasia resumes after the intermission "Meet the Soundtrack" with its fifth segment "Danse Baccahnale" and "Night on Bald Mountain". Skeletons and demons come to life and party before Chernabog the God of Evil summons ghouls and commands the demons to his liking. Tchaikovsky returns with "Sleeping Beauty Waltz", a medival couple falls in love before being torn apart by war between both kingdoms. (Funnily enough, Disney would make a Sleeping Beauty Feature only a few decades later) Fantasia then ends with its most ambitious and artistic segment "The Firebird Suite" by Igor Stravinsky, depicting the Spring Sprite experiencing birth, life, death and renewal all within the four seasons.
To advertise Fantasia, Walt employed the use of television, assuring audiences that this was no package film. After 2 decades of work, Fantasia premiered in both Broadway Theatre and Radio City Music Hall on January 29th and February 1st respectively. Almost immediately Fantasia was met with near universal praise, mostly coming from the gorgeous visuals and the performance of the Philadelphia Orchestra. With a final budget of $6 million, the film would run for another 4 months thanks to its increasing popularity, earning a total of $5.5 million in its initial run. Fantasia was a success, yet it was a box office bomb. Today, Fantasia is seen as Walt's crowning achievement.
Release Date: January 29th 1959 (Broadway Theatre premiere), February 1st 1959 (Radio City Music Hall premiere)
Cast:
Walt Disney (Himself)
Jimmy MacDonald (Mickey Mouse)
Leopold Stokowski (Himself)
(1) Walt was able to get Stokowski back for Fantasia in 1957 as a co-host.
(2) An analogue to OTL's Fantasound
Notes: TTL's Fantasia is more or less the same as OTL reputation-wise. I decided to swap out "The Rite of Spring" due to Igor Stravinsky's disapproval of said segment IOTL, "Dance of the Hours" and "The Pastoral Symphony", with the latter being too long for my tastes IOTL. I decided to include "Pictures in an Exhibition" as it was considered IOTL and I even threw in "Sleeping Beauty Waltz". Like OTL's counterpart and Sleeping Beauty, the budget of Fantasia was simply too high for it to ever re-coup its losses, at least until its subsequent re-releases, yet it was a success upon release and still is seen as Disney's crown jewel in his lifetime.
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Honestly, good riddance to the Rite of Spring. That is easily my least favorite segment due to how long it is, and it's boring until you get to the dinosaurs (namely the T-Rex). I'm surprised Stravinsky didn't threaten to sue Disney over how he used it IOTL. I vastly prefer The Firebird in Fantasia 2000 and I'm glad it's being used here. I suppose the loss of The Sorcerer's Apprentice was inevitable but thankfully we get Pomp and Circumstance with Donald Duck 40 years earlier than OTL. I am sort of sad about the loss of Pastoral Symphony (despite its racism and eventual censorship IOTL) and Dance of The Hours though. The latter in particular felt like a highlight from OTL's version of Fantasia alongside The Sorcerer's Apprentice and Night on Bald Mountain. I think Fantasia will earn back its losses like OTL's Sleeping Beauty and Fantasia over several re-releases before its release on home video. And take all the time you need with your break. We'll still be here when you return.
I agree with it being one of the weaker segments of OTL's Fantasia (alongside the Pastoral Symphony), that and its OTL controversy regarding Stravinsky was enough to get it omitted here.
At least Mickey still makes an appearance as co-host of Fantasia, and Donald gets a starring role in a feature film for the first time here, so that's a win for both characters.
I might revisit these two segments for the sequel, but I haven't decided yet as Fantasia 2 is still a long way from now.
Yes indeed it did. Fantasia did earn back its losses through its 60s/70s re-release and home video release.
Thanks. I'll need some time to figure out how the 60s and 70s will go and I need to get back on track with studies, I'll be back with 1961 when I'm ready.
One thing I forgot to mention is that "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" is included as an eigth segment in all re-releases and VHS release, it is also included as a bonus short in its DVD/ Blu-Ray releases.
Also Mickey uses his 1940s design in Fantasia, he wears his sorcerer outfit from The Sorcerer's Apprentice.
Also Mickey uses his 1940s design in Fantasia, he wears his sorcerer outfit from The Sorcerer's Apprentice.
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Hi all. I have decided to replace a few films in the line-up that being the 1963 and 1977b film which were originally Wreck-it Ralph and its sequel respectively.
The only porblem is what material it would've been based on, and how to re-work the video game arcade setting to the 1960s. Ultimately, I decided to replace them and also re-order some films in the line-up.
The only porblem is what material it would've been based on, and how to re-work the video game arcade setting to the 1960s. Ultimately, I decided to replace them and also re-order some films in the line-up.
I should be returning pretty soon, after that updates should come either once a week or once every two weeks.
As for a hint for the next film, it's a human-centric film, and it could go any way if created during the 1960s. I'm still thinking of how to adapt it into this era even though OTL's counterpart isn't an original story.
As for a hint for the next film, it's a human-centric film, and it could go any way if created during the 1960s. I'm still thinking of how to adapt it into this era even though OTL's counterpart isn't an original story.
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Putting this TL's massive changes to the Disneyverse into consideration, I've decided to post a mini-chapter of some sorts regarding Disneyland.
Walt Disney first came up with the idea of a "Mickey Mouse Park" when visiting the Griffith Park is Los Angeles. Earliest drafts for the theme park were completed as early as August 31st 1948, and by the early 1950s the project had became Walt's ambition in which he had put all his time into. This shifted Walt's focus from feature films (Fantasia excluded) over to the theme park project. During production and planning for Disneyland, the small acres of land next to the Walt Disney Studio was way too small to develop a full fledged theme park, Walt soon purchased land in Anaheim, California as the new site for Disneyland, construction started on July 14th 1955 and the theme park would open a year and 3 days later.
As for the opening of the "most magical place on Earth" itself, it was anything but pretty. Rides would stop halfway through, parents were throwing their children over the gates to become the first ones in Disneyland, and some attractions had to be delayed. The opening day would later be known as "Black Sunday". And yet, even with its less than peaceful opening day, Disneyland quickly became a booming success and later received multiple theme parks worldwide.
List of changes in TTL:
King Arthur's Carousel - The Mickey Mouse Carousel, featuring artwork of major Disney characters up to 1955, would be re-named the Disney Carousel in the 1983 "New Fantasyland" refurbishment.
Mad Tea Party - A Christmas Nightmare, based off the Nightmare Before Christmas and has sleighs replace teacups
Mr Toad's Wild Ride - Snow White's Scary Adventures, a less unsettling and more family-friendly version
Snow White's Scary Adventures (OTL) - Quasimodo's Darring Journey, on the same level as OTL's Snow White's Scary Adventures in terms of scare factor
Peter Pan's Flight - The Search for Atlantis
Dumbo the Flying Elephant - As is, only changes is that Rusty Robin replaces Timothy Mouse
Alice in Wonderland - The Legend of Sleepy Hollow
Sleeping Beauty's Castle - The Castle of Fantasyland
Also there's a new attraction called Ariel's Grotto and a dark ride based off the Great Mouse Detective called "The Adventures of Sherlock Mouser".
Walt Disney first came up with the idea of a "Mickey Mouse Park" when visiting the Griffith Park is Los Angeles. Earliest drafts for the theme park were completed as early as August 31st 1948, and by the early 1950s the project had became Walt's ambition in which he had put all his time into. This shifted Walt's focus from feature films (Fantasia excluded) over to the theme park project. During production and planning for Disneyland, the small acres of land next to the Walt Disney Studio was way too small to develop a full fledged theme park, Walt soon purchased land in Anaheim, California as the new site for Disneyland, construction started on July 14th 1955 and the theme park would open a year and 3 days later.
As for the opening of the "most magical place on Earth" itself, it was anything but pretty. Rides would stop halfway through, parents were throwing their children over the gates to become the first ones in Disneyland, and some attractions had to be delayed. The opening day would later be known as "Black Sunday". And yet, even with its less than peaceful opening day, Disneyland quickly became a booming success and later received multiple theme parks worldwide.
List of changes in TTL:
King Arthur's Carousel - The Mickey Mouse Carousel, featuring artwork of major Disney characters up to 1955, would be re-named the Disney Carousel in the 1983 "New Fantasyland" refurbishment.
Mad Tea Party - A Christmas Nightmare, based off the Nightmare Before Christmas and has sleighs replace teacups
Mr Toad's Wild Ride - Snow White's Scary Adventures, a less unsettling and more family-friendly version
Snow White's Scary Adventures (OTL) - Quasimodo's Darring Journey, on the same level as OTL's Snow White's Scary Adventures in terms of scare factor
Peter Pan's Flight - The Search for Atlantis
Dumbo the Flying Elephant - As is, only changes is that Rusty Robin replaces Timothy Mouse
Alice in Wonderland - The Legend of Sleepy Hollow
Sleeping Beauty's Castle - The Castle of Fantasyland
Also there's a new attraction called Ariel's Grotto and a dark ride based off the Great Mouse Detective called "The Adventures of Sherlock Mouser".
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Peter Pan (1961)
Taken from "You Can Fly: The Making of Peter Pan", produced 1998
Leonard Maltin: Animation was really the ideal medium for "Peter Pan". Here you could aniamte and imagine the character flying and all the whimsy of Neverland that a live-action film couldn't replicate.
Narrator: Walt Disney started development on "Peter Pan" after the release of "the Little Mermaid". Here are some never-before seen original drafts and concept art, dating back to 1939. These drawings were inspired by the Little Mermaid and later "Robin Hood". However, the sheer complexity of the project was enough for Walt to scrap "Peter Pan". It would not be revived until the late 1950s, when Walt decided to use the new Xerox method to bring Peter Pan to life.
Narrator: To cast the voices of Peter Pan, Wendy and Captain Hook. The voices of Tommy Kirk, Hayley Mills and Hans Conried were chosen.
Leonard Maltin: Hans Conried was sort of inspired casting, he was a prominent actor through the 1950s and who Walt considered voicing Scar in "the Lion King". In a way I guess the whole idea came full circle. Conried also voiced Mr Darling the father, keeping the tradition of the original play.
Frank Thomas: I was wondering who would be the one to animate Captain Hook, and then I heard Walt wanted me to do it. You see, Hook was a more elegant character compared to Peter Pan. Full of manners, etiquette, all sorts of fancy stuff. And yet he's the villain of the story, that's why I had so much fun drawing and sketching Hook, trying to figure out what fancy gestures Hook could do
Fred Moore (1): I was in charge of animating Tinker Bell. Tinker Bell was visualised as a ball of light who moved around in the background, but in animation we couldn't animate just a ball of light and call it a pixie. I got creative a designed a new character for Tinker Bell, she was this little pixie, jealous of other girls and was also pretty petty herself.
Leonard Maltin: Tinker Bell was originally a mute character, but Kathryn Beaumont, one of the voices who auditioned to be Wendy was so memorable to Walt, that he ultimately casted her as Tinker Bell. There was a rumour that Tinker Bell was modeled after Marilyn Monroe, which was a story most people believed. However this wasn't really factual, considering the family friendly image Walt had to keep for Peter Pan.
Narrator: "Peter Pan" released on January 25th 1961, sadly audiences didn't like nor enjoy the film.
Leonard Maltin: Because of the largely inferior Xerox animation style, most people didn't like watching the film. They found the animation and backgrounds too scratchy and ugly, couple that and criticisms towards the characters themselves, the film sadly failed critically despite being a box office success. And yet today, many people like it enough for the film to be a classic.
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The production on Walt's version of "Peter Pan" was troubled to say the least. First conceived in 1935 as the studio's second feature, issues with developing a coherent story, the sheer complexity of Neverland and its characters, plus the unlikability of the title character himself caused the film to be pushed down to the studio's third or fourth film, intended to release in the 1940s. Ultimately Walt shelved the film due to the aforementioned issues plus the onset of World War 2. By 1957, Walt was looking for new material to adapt and chose to revive "Peter Pan". Due to development of Fantasia, the new Xerox method, albeit inferior, was used to animate Peter Pan. Despite approving this decision, Walt was never a fan of the Xerox method, claiming the animation of Peter Pan and the later film to be "scratchy and ugly".
The film starts with Peter Pan and Tinker Bell arriving at the Darling household to take the eldest child, Wendy Darling to Neverland. Wendy convinces Peter to take her brothers John and Michael as well as the dog Nana along. When they arrive at Neverland, they are immediately attacked by Peter's nemesis Captain Hook. Peter instructs Tinker Bell to lead Wendy to Neverland, yet she flies away and instructs the Lost Boys (Peter's men and orphaned children) to shoot Wendy down. Peter arrives just in time and banishes Tinker Bell for a week, he brings Wendy and Nana to see the mermaids while the Lost Boys invite John and Michael to a make-believe dinner. After a run-in with Hook and his lackey Mr Smee in Mermaid Lagoon, Hook devises a plan to get the jealous Tinker Bell to reveal Peter's hideout. Hook breaking into Peter's hideout to capture the Lost Boys and plants a bomb in Peter's hideout to kill him. Tinker Bell manages to warn Peter just in time for him to rush to Hook's pirate ship and rescue everyone before it's too late.
"Peter Pan" premiered on January 25th 1961. While its box office returns were successful enough to re-coup the losses of "Fantasia", its reception was particularly negative. Audiences liked the Xerox style well enough, but critics tore it apart, noting the film's ugly animation and less than stylish backgrounds, and this was right after the release and success of "Fantasia". The design of the mermaids and Tinker Bell, credited to Fred Moore (1), was criticised and panned for being too revealing. Lastly, Peter himself was noted to be an unlikeable protagonist, with fans of the film today generally rooting for Captain Hook instead. The film’s reception would improve through its 1970s-80s re-releases, but Walt was dismayed by the initial reviews of Peter Pan and never really brought it up again in his lifetime.
Release Date: January 25th 1961
Cast:
Tommy Kirk (Peter Pan)
Hayley Mills (Wendy)
Kevin Corcoran (John)
Matthew Garber (Michael)
Kathryn Beaumont (Tinker Bell, Mermaids)
Lisa Davis (Ms Darling)
Hans Conried (Captain Hook, Mr Darling)
Bill Thompson (Mr Smee, Pirate Crew)
Pinto Colvig, Jimmy MacDonald (Pirate Crew)
Notable Songs:
You Can Fly (Sung by an unseen choir during the flight to Neverland)
Never Smile at a Crocodile (Sung by Mr Smee and the Pirate Crew in the background during Tick Tock’s first appearance) (2)
The Pirate Song (Sung by the Pirates to persuade Wendy and the Lost Boys to join their crew) (2)
Your Mother and Mine (Sung by Wendy to comfort John and Michael)
(1) Fred Moore survives the car crash
(2) Both are deleted songs from OTL
Notes: Storywise, Peter Pan here is mostly the same. I decided to exclude the Native Americans for obvious reasons, kept the idea of Nana joining the trip to Neverland and also gave Tinker Bell voice lines. I also kept Conried and Thompson as Hook and Smee respectively, simply because I couldn’t imagine anyone else voicing the two. The negative reception on Peter Pan will mark the end of the Silver Age. Starting from 1963, we’ll be heading for a Disney Dark Age so stay tuned for what the 60s, 70s and the 80s will offer.
Leonard Maltin: Animation was really the ideal medium for "Peter Pan". Here you could aniamte and imagine the character flying and all the whimsy of Neverland that a live-action film couldn't replicate.
Narrator: Walt Disney started development on "Peter Pan" after the release of "the Little Mermaid". Here are some never-before seen original drafts and concept art, dating back to 1939. These drawings were inspired by the Little Mermaid and later "Robin Hood". However, the sheer complexity of the project was enough for Walt to scrap "Peter Pan". It would not be revived until the late 1950s, when Walt decided to use the new Xerox method to bring Peter Pan to life.
Narrator: To cast the voices of Peter Pan, Wendy and Captain Hook. The voices of Tommy Kirk, Hayley Mills and Hans Conried were chosen.
Leonard Maltin: Hans Conried was sort of inspired casting, he was a prominent actor through the 1950s and who Walt considered voicing Scar in "the Lion King". In a way I guess the whole idea came full circle. Conried also voiced Mr Darling the father, keeping the tradition of the original play.
Frank Thomas: I was wondering who would be the one to animate Captain Hook, and then I heard Walt wanted me to do it. You see, Hook was a more elegant character compared to Peter Pan. Full of manners, etiquette, all sorts of fancy stuff. And yet he's the villain of the story, that's why I had so much fun drawing and sketching Hook, trying to figure out what fancy gestures Hook could do
Fred Moore (1): I was in charge of animating Tinker Bell. Tinker Bell was visualised as a ball of light who moved around in the background, but in animation we couldn't animate just a ball of light and call it a pixie. I got creative a designed a new character for Tinker Bell, she was this little pixie, jealous of other girls and was also pretty petty herself.
Leonard Maltin: Tinker Bell was originally a mute character, but Kathryn Beaumont, one of the voices who auditioned to be Wendy was so memorable to Walt, that he ultimately casted her as Tinker Bell. There was a rumour that Tinker Bell was modeled after Marilyn Monroe, which was a story most people believed. However this wasn't really factual, considering the family friendly image Walt had to keep for Peter Pan.
Narrator: "Peter Pan" released on January 25th 1961, sadly audiences didn't like nor enjoy the film.
Leonard Maltin: Because of the largely inferior Xerox animation style, most people didn't like watching the film. They found the animation and backgrounds too scratchy and ugly, couple that and criticisms towards the characters themselves, the film sadly failed critically despite being a box office success. And yet today, many people like it enough for the film to be a classic.
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The production on Walt's version of "Peter Pan" was troubled to say the least. First conceived in 1935 as the studio's second feature, issues with developing a coherent story, the sheer complexity of Neverland and its characters, plus the unlikability of the title character himself caused the film to be pushed down to the studio's third or fourth film, intended to release in the 1940s. Ultimately Walt shelved the film due to the aforementioned issues plus the onset of World War 2. By 1957, Walt was looking for new material to adapt and chose to revive "Peter Pan". Due to development of Fantasia, the new Xerox method, albeit inferior, was used to animate Peter Pan. Despite approving this decision, Walt was never a fan of the Xerox method, claiming the animation of Peter Pan and the later film to be "scratchy and ugly".
The film starts with Peter Pan and Tinker Bell arriving at the Darling household to take the eldest child, Wendy Darling to Neverland. Wendy convinces Peter to take her brothers John and Michael as well as the dog Nana along. When they arrive at Neverland, they are immediately attacked by Peter's nemesis Captain Hook. Peter instructs Tinker Bell to lead Wendy to Neverland, yet she flies away and instructs the Lost Boys (Peter's men and orphaned children) to shoot Wendy down. Peter arrives just in time and banishes Tinker Bell for a week, he brings Wendy and Nana to see the mermaids while the Lost Boys invite John and Michael to a make-believe dinner. After a run-in with Hook and his lackey Mr Smee in Mermaid Lagoon, Hook devises a plan to get the jealous Tinker Bell to reveal Peter's hideout. Hook breaking into Peter's hideout to capture the Lost Boys and plants a bomb in Peter's hideout to kill him. Tinker Bell manages to warn Peter just in time for him to rush to Hook's pirate ship and rescue everyone before it's too late.
"Peter Pan" premiered on January 25th 1961. While its box office returns were successful enough to re-coup the losses of "Fantasia", its reception was particularly negative. Audiences liked the Xerox style well enough, but critics tore it apart, noting the film's ugly animation and less than stylish backgrounds, and this was right after the release and success of "Fantasia". The design of the mermaids and Tinker Bell, credited to Fred Moore (1), was criticised and panned for being too revealing. Lastly, Peter himself was noted to be an unlikeable protagonist, with fans of the film today generally rooting for Captain Hook instead. The film’s reception would improve through its 1970s-80s re-releases, but Walt was dismayed by the initial reviews of Peter Pan and never really brought it up again in his lifetime.
Release Date: January 25th 1961
Cast:
Tommy Kirk (Peter Pan)
Hayley Mills (Wendy)
Kevin Corcoran (John)
Matthew Garber (Michael)
Kathryn Beaumont (Tinker Bell, Mermaids)
Lisa Davis (Ms Darling)
Hans Conried (Captain Hook, Mr Darling)
Bill Thompson (Mr Smee, Pirate Crew)
Pinto Colvig, Jimmy MacDonald (Pirate Crew)
Notable Songs:
You Can Fly (Sung by an unseen choir during the flight to Neverland)
Never Smile at a Crocodile (Sung by Mr Smee and the Pirate Crew in the background during Tick Tock’s first appearance) (2)
The Pirate Song (Sung by the Pirates to persuade Wendy and the Lost Boys to join their crew) (2)
Your Mother and Mine (Sung by Wendy to comfort John and Michael)
(1) Fred Moore survives the car crash
(2) Both are deleted songs from OTL
Notes: Storywise, Peter Pan here is mostly the same. I decided to exclude the Native Americans for obvious reasons, kept the idea of Nana joining the trip to Neverland and also gave Tinker Bell voice lines. I also kept Conried and Thompson as Hook and Smee respectively, simply because I couldn’t imagine anyone else voicing the two. The negative reception on Peter Pan will mark the end of the Silver Age. Starting from 1963, we’ll be heading for a Disney Dark Age so stay tuned for what the 60s, 70s and the 80s will offer.
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Nice to see that Peter Pan is still a box office success ITTL, even if critical reception is worse. On the other hand, with the 1967 film being part of the Dark Age, I wonder how bad things will get for Disney ITTL. I also wonder if the critical backlash against Peter Pan here will make things worse for Disney in terms of smoking since he intended it to be his second film since it was based off a story he was very fond of since childhood and seeing it torn apart may crush him.
The Dark Age actually starts with the 1963 film and it will be one of, if not the most hated WDAC film for quite some time so things will get pretty bad for Disney
I assume Disney ITTL probably views it on par with OTL's Fantasia/Alice in Wonderland, it's the next film however that could affect Walt's life.
Since 1963 is going to be the start of a massive Dark Age, it’s going to be interesting how the plot of this movie will change from OTLs counterpart. Speaking of which, is OTLs version of the movie a hated film?
It will be for quite some time, but something else will take its place as contender for most hated WDAC film, we'll see