Worse than that, their metallurgy was second-rate compared to most of the powers they were looking to go up against, meaning that even if they could have matched the other powers for numbers, their equipment would have been worse.
Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.
- Thread starter allanpcameron
- Start date
Of course the problem with that decision is that you also need asw escorts but they’re not big and “sexy” enough to attract funding and resources until its too late.
Coulsdon Eagle
Monthly Donor
We've all been there, mate
Valid points to be answered, and we all gain a greater understanding of what it would have been like.
From this the size if the force is too small and at risk if the btn is already split by town and the labour needs. Hopefully they have time to sort themselves out when that platoon runs into the company. Also that there are more forces about to landed there, hopefully at least a brigade.
Hmm given the way things are going right now I have to wonder what the various internal factions are doing right now given the stressor the DUKE forces and Dutch are putting on them and smashing their plans I imagine various factions are looking to collect scalps.
Also given how the IJN and IJA are beholden to the Emperor rather than the civilian govt there are very few people who can control internal disputes.
Also given how the IJN and IJA are beholden to the Emperor rather than the civilian govt there are very few people who can control internal disputes.
Now that I think about that’s something that the Allies could potentially exploit,the fact that the IJN and IJA utterly hate each other and wouldn’t mind if the other is damaged by anything. I know there’s no way of getting them to fight each other, but you could hopefully get them to inconvenience each other so severely it basically almost wins campaigns and offensives for the Allies?
I don't think OTL they ever shot at each other but given how the each maintain things like their own air services, navies and landing arms it may put more strain on them and unless someone like the Emperor or respected by both sides mediates they are probably going to spiral more rapidly than otl.
And how is that any different to the USA and the Marine Corps ?
especially in WW2 with Marshalls attitude to the Army only in the ETO despite the repeated need for amphibious opeations involving ground troops
Apart from the assassination of some officers from the
Well there were relatively few instances of the US Army and Navy assassinating one another's officers or deliberately sabotaging operations, and people who did either would be court-martialled rather than e.g. promoted.
Given OTL even Yamamoto had to hide at sea to stop an "accident", I'd say you are underselling how bad things got.
Hello,
I think the reference is to the relationship between US Army and US Marine Corps, which never approached the levels seen in the Japanese armed forces at this point.
I think it's more to with the US Army like the IJA having it's own ships, although I don't think the US Army ever actually commissioned any aircraft carriers 😋
US Army ships and boats were specifically for actual US Army work. Examples are troop transports, not assault transports, to transfer troops overseas in peacetime. Small cargo ships to resupply army bases and forts, an example of this were the ones that would go to Fort Drum and the other places in Manila Bay. Landing craft and small lighters used in the canal zone to transfer troops along the canal and on Gatun Lake. Tugs to handle Army related work at the forts with the lighters and barges. The US Army had their own Minelayers, called mineplanters, to deal with their minefields that were put around the coast and harbors for defense as another example.
Unlike the IJA who had their own Navy because the IJN wouldn't share their toys with them.
Actually the US Army did commission "carriers" in WW2 though they were just landingcraft or LST equiped to launch a single light aircraft to act as an artillery spotter for use immediately around the time of a landing
And by the way, that mission is remarkably similar to the so called Japanese Army "carriers" though they were larger merchantmen adapted for both launch and land on which the US version could not
Aside: some of the Japanese ships were even more directly capable of supporting landings being fitted with a floodable dock and carrying bevy of landing craft plus a few howitzers for NGFS for the troops stationed on board see the Akitsu
in many ways they were very early prototypes of the current USMC LHDs
But without the limited fighter/ground attack option provided by Harriers or 35Bs
Though they did have some ASW capability using small VSTOL autogyros (KA 1 or 2)
Last edited:
Ramp-Rat
Monthly Donor
There can be no doubt that there is a degree of tension between the various branches of the military in all major nations, which is exasperated if there are more than two. In Britain since the end of WWI and the formation of the RAF, their has been a constant low level grumbling by any two of the three about how much money is being spent on the other one. In the USA, the navy and the army were constantly in conflict regarding the allocation of funds, and this ignores the internal fighting that went on within the respective services. In the navy the battleship lobby wanted more money spent on their pet projects, while the aviation lobby wanted more funding for their pet projects, as did the submarine lobby, etc, etc. And the same was true of the army, were infantry, artillery, engineers, signals and armoured all wanted a bigger slice of the pie, and aviation wanted its independence. However no were in the world did the level of hostility between the various branches of the military, degenerate to the extent that it did in Japan. No British general had to worry about a hit team from the navy, taking him out, or an admiral having to be sent to sea to keep him safe from the army hit teams who wanted to rub him out. Because of the peculiar British inheritance system and tradition, first son gets the title and the land, second son gets a commission in the army, third son goes to sea, and fourth son goes into the church. It was common for brothers to be serving in the army and the navy, even on the same station as each other. The most famous was the Cunningham’s one who was an admiral and the other a general, and they did for a time serve during WWII, in the Mediterranean/North Africa campaign at the same time. The intense inter service rivalry that was seen in Japan, wasn’t seen elsewhere, and once the war started, both the British and the Americans, were able to form numerous combined service organisations, and combined international organisations. That is not to say that there wasn’t continued rivalry, and minor spates, but unlike the Japanese, most other nations managed to sort out some form of cooperation between the services. Note that the problems that the Germans had, were more to do with the chaotic system imposed by the Nazis on everything in Germany, than the normal inter service rivalries.
RR.
RR.
Was more thinking in terms of Japanese Battleships firing on army bases.
The British issue was that the RAF had taken over all aircraft production, so they had the final say on what went where. And at least in the early days, nothing went into army support, which proved a real issue in France.
Nothing as obvious as that. They tended to do things like have a rival service office have an "accident". Way more effective because they tended to take care of the officers that were more competent.
For further background reading on this topic:
