The only thing who do not look right to me is the presence of the OTL John and Beatrice of Portugal as Manuel would most likely marry Joanna here
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Beatrice is now Joana, though I have kept her birth year as 1504 and said she had older sisters who died in infancy (Isabella (1500) and Manuela (1502-1506). Joao has become Fernando for Juana's beloved father and gained a year in age. Better?
Yes. Joao was fine as name just needed to have a different birthdate from his OTL counterpart
Juana of Aragon Dies in 1496, Juan of Asturias has Six children with Margaret of Austria
Juan, Prince of Asturias (1478-1506) m.1497 Margaret of Burgundy (1480-1527)
1) Isabella (b.1498)
2) Fernando VI of Castile and III of Aragon (b.1500)
3) Alfonso (1502-1506)
4) Juana (b.1503)
5) Margarita (b.1504)
6) Miscarriage (1505)
7) Juan Felipe (b.1507)
Phillip of Burgundy (1478-1523) m. 1498 Giovanna of Naples (1478-1518)
1) Charles, Count of Charolais (1500-1501)
2) Miscarriage (1501)
3) Philippa, Duchess of Burgundy (b.1504)
4) Margaret of Burgundy (b.1506)
5) Mary of Burgundy (b.1508)
6) Charles, Count of Charolais (1509-1517)
7) Joanna of Burgundy (b.1511)
8) Stillborn son (1518)
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1) Isabella (b.1498)
2) Fernando VI of Castile and III of Aragon (b.1500)
3) Alfonso (1502-1506)
4) Juana (b.1503)
5) Margarita (b.1504)
6) Miscarriage (1505)
7) Juan Felipe (b.1507)
Phillip of Burgundy (1478-1523) m. 1498 Giovanna of Naples (1478-1518)
1) Charles, Count of Charolais (1500-1501)
2) Miscarriage (1501)
3) Philippa, Duchess of Burgundy (b.1504)
4) Margaret of Burgundy (b.1506)
5) Mary of Burgundy (b.1508)
6) Charles, Count of Charolais (1509-1517)
7) Joanna of Burgundy (b.1511)
8) Stillborn son (1518)
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I normally love your threads, but damm it. Killing Juana makes it hard for me 😭
I've saved her several years of an abusive marriage, though? And Phillip has the karma of no surviving sons..
Do I at least get brownie points for that? 😇
You do get brownie points.
It's just.... me getting dunked on for liking the potential of a non-abusive Philip and Juana.
Gender Swapping Anne Boleyn's Pregnancies
Because this AU was taking on a life of its own!
Henry VIII (1491-1551) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536) (a) Anne Boleyn (1507-1561) (b)
1a) Lady Mary, Baroness Cromwell (1516-1558) m. Gregory Cromwell, 2nd Baron Cromwell (b.1520)
2b) Edward VI (1533-1603) m. Joanna of Spain (b.1535)
3b) Miscarriage (1534)
4b) Elizabeth (b.1536) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b.1534)
5b) Philippa (b.1537) m. James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1540)
George Boleyn, 2nd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1504) m. Jane Parker (1503-1528) (a) m.1534 Eleanor Brandon (1519-1543) (b)
1b. Henry, 3rd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1535) m. Lady Elizabeth Stanley (b.1533)
2b) Anne (b. 1538) m. Barnaby Fitzpatrick, 2nd Baron Upper Ossory (b.1535)
3b) Frances (b.1540) m. Henry Herbert, Baron Herbert (b.1538)
4b) Thomas (b.1543)
Henry VIII (1491-1551) m. Katherine of Aragon (1485-1536) (a) Anne Boleyn (1507-1561) (b)
1a) Lady Mary, Baroness Cromwell (1516-1558) m. Gregory Cromwell, 2nd Baron Cromwell (b.1520)
2b) Edward VI (1533-1603) m. Joanna of Spain (b.1535)
3b) Miscarriage (1534)
4b) Elizabeth (b.1536) m. Frederick II of Denmark (b.1534)
5b) Philippa (b.1537) m. James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1540)
George Boleyn, 2nd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1504) m. Jane Parker (1503-1528) (a) m.1534 Eleanor Brandon (1519-1543) (b)
1b. Henry, 3rd Earl of Ormonde and Wiltshire (b.1535) m. Lady Elizabeth Stanley (b.1533)
2b) Anne (b. 1538) m. Barnaby Fitzpatrick, 2nd Baron Upper Ossory (b.1535)
3b) Frances (b.1540) m. Henry Herbert, Baron Herbert (b.1538)
4b) Thomas (b.1543)
Gender Swapping Anne Boleyn's Pregnancies: Next Generation
Gregory, 2nd Baron Cromwell (1520-1572) m. Lady Mary, Baroness Cromwell (1516-1558)
1) Grace (b.1538)
2) Thomas (1540-1542)
3) Charles, 3rd Baron Cromwell (b.1544)
4) Katherine (1546-1547)
5) Margaret (b.1549)
6) Miscarriage (1551)
Edward VI (1533-1603) m. Joanna of Spain (1535-1580)
1) Miscarriage (1550)
2) Philippa (1551)
3) Henry, Marquess of Pembroke (1553-1555)
4) Edmund I (b.1554)
5) Elizabeth (1556-1559)
6) John, Duke of York (b.1558)
7) Anne (1561-62)
8) Margaret (b.1563)
9) Stillborn son (1565)
10) Lionel, Duke of Nottingham (b.1568)
11) Joanna (b.1568)
1) Grace (b.1538)
2) Thomas (1540-1542)
3) Charles, 3rd Baron Cromwell (b.1544)
4) Katherine (1546-1547)
5) Margaret (b.1549)
6) Miscarriage (1551)
Edward VI (1533-1603) m. Joanna of Spain (1535-1580)
1) Miscarriage (1550)
2) Philippa (1551)
3) Henry, Marquess of Pembroke (1553-1555)
4) Edmund I (b.1554)
5) Elizabeth (1556-1559)
6) John, Duke of York (b.1558)
7) Anne (1561-62)
8) Margaret (b.1563)
9) Stillborn son (1565)
10) Lionel, Duke of Nottingham (b.1568)
11) Joanna (b.1568)
She's 62. That's not exactly unfortunate. She's had a damn good innings.
Fair, but it's still going to make the Sweat even more hated in England because it took their beloved Queen Dowager
I mean, yeah, true, but she’s not exactly had a bad innings by then has she?Fair, but it's still going to make the Sweat even more hated in England because it took their beloved Queen Dowager
Mary Tudor the Elder Marries a Surviving Miguel de Paz
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Because, again, this AU quickly morphed into three trees rather than one....
Spain and Portugal
Mary Tudor (1496-1538) m. Miguel of Spain and Portugal (1498-1543)
1) Isabella (b. 1514) m. Henry, Duke of Cornwall (b.1511)
2) Fernando (1516-1521), dies of diphtheria at 5,
3) Juan (1517)
4) Manuela (1518-1521), dies of diphtheria at 2 1/2
5) Maria (b.1519)
6) Miscarriage (1520)
7) Alfonso (b.1523) m. Margaret of Burgundy (b.1528)
8) Juana (1524-1525)
9) Catalina (b.1526)
10) Henrique (b.1528)
11) Luisa (b.1529)
England
Henry VIII (1491-1544) m 1506 Katherine of Aragon (1485-1534)
1) Elizabeth (b. 1507)
2) Katherine (1509-1510)
3) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (b.1511) m. Isabella of Spain and Portugal (b.1514)
4) Miscarriage (1513)
5) Charles, Duke of York (b.1514) m. Catherine Willoughby (b.1519)
6) Mary (b.1516) m. John of Denmark (b.1518)
7) Stillborn daughter (1518)
Burgundy
Charles, Duke of Burgundy (1500-1561) m. Renée of France (1510-1574)
1) Phillip, Duke of Burgundy (b.1526)
2) Margaret (b.1528) m. Alfonso of Spain and Portugal (b.1523)
3) Eleanor (1529)
4) Jean (b.1531)
5) Charlotte (1532-34)
6) Anne (b.1533)
7) Mary (1535-39)
8) Stillborn son (1538)
9) Louis (1540)
10) Charlotte Jeanne (b.1542)
Spain and Portugal
Mary Tudor (1496-1538) m. Miguel of Spain and Portugal (1498-1543)
1) Isabella (b. 1514) m. Henry, Duke of Cornwall (b.1511)
2) Fernando (1516-1521), dies of diphtheria at 5,
3) Juan (1517)
4) Manuela (1518-1521), dies of diphtheria at 2 1/2
5) Maria (b.1519)
6) Miscarriage (1520)
7) Alfonso (b.1523) m. Margaret of Burgundy (b.1528)
8) Juana (1524-1525)
9) Catalina (b.1526)
10) Henrique (b.1528)
11) Luisa (b.1529)
England
Henry VIII (1491-1544) m 1506 Katherine of Aragon (1485-1534)
1) Elizabeth (b. 1507)
2) Katherine (1509-1510)
3) Henry, Duke of Cornwall (b.1511) m. Isabella of Spain and Portugal (b.1514)
4) Miscarriage (1513)
5) Charles, Duke of York (b.1514) m. Catherine Willoughby (b.1519)
6) Mary (b.1516) m. John of Denmark (b.1518)
7) Stillborn daughter (1518)
Burgundy
Charles, Duke of Burgundy (1500-1561) m. Renée of France (1510-1574)
1) Phillip, Duke of Burgundy (b.1526)
2) Margaret (b.1528) m. Alfonso of Spain and Portugal (b.1523)
3) Eleanor (1529)
4) Jean (b.1531)
5) Charlotte (1532-34)
6) Anne (b.1533)
7) Mary (1535-39)
8) Stillborn son (1538)
9) Louis (1540)
10) Charlotte Jeanne (b.1542)