No war in Libya mean a huge bone to the italian economy due to the direct cost of the war and all the money spent later to replenish the equipment lost,
Even if Italy is better off than OTL, it's still one of the "lesser" Great Powers that needs money to continue to industrialize.
Paris will be forced to get a large amount of debt because even if France is better off they dont' have the kind of money to finance the war, almost nobody had that kind of war...even the British not involved in the war and taking the part of the OTL americans will be capable to finance only a part of it (OTL 1915 USA/UK loan amount at 2 billion of franc and in 1915 at 7,5 billion of francs). OTL the French financed just a fifth of the foreign loan of Russia (in war time, there were a lot of pre existing debt) the bulk was British
Yes, France will need capital during the war, but at that point the British understand the risk of lending to a country at war, and therefore will act accordingly, either by limiting the amount of loans or establishing collaterals beforehand.
 
I have definitely noticed more of them (often with the exact same sort of post as our latest specimen here) this year compared to normal...
We’ve got another surge of compromised accounts today, if it’s anything like the last few times they’ll run out of stolen passwords in a few days. Just report any strange links you see.
 
Thinking about the CEW and how would Italy fight it because not only are they a side show, the main one being Germany, both borders with France and Austria favor defence to either side. So what can the Italians can really do, besides tying up very few divisions, maybe Caproni bombers will be the biggest Italian contribution to the war.
 
Yes, France will need capital during the war, but at that point the British understand the risk of lending to a country at war, and therefore will act accordingly, either by limiting the amount of loans or establishing collaterals beforehand.
By that point the collateral will be already used, plus limiting the amount of loans mean crippling the French war effort and by this stage everyone with some brain cells will understand that doing that will also mean giving to Germany the control of the continent, so finance will take a backseat in favor of politics. Plus no, France is not better off than OTL due to the massive pre-war military expense, one of the reason that they decided to start a war now is that their economy can't sustain that for long.

Even if Italy is better off than OTL, it's still one of the "lesser" Great Powers that needs money to continue to industrialize.
Not the kind of money, OTL the reason for the big loan (or better credit line) of 50 millions of pound asked to the British to enter the war was the need to still reequip the army and here will not be needed, not considering that whatever loan France had given to Italy well it can be considered lost unless they win
 
"...to the average Irishman, one could have questioned whether anything had much changed at all. A British flag still flew at the Four Courts and Dublin Castle; the Royal Irish Constabulary still patrolled the streets. But change had indeed come, and it occurred on February 11, 1919 - today celebrated as Ireland Day or, in some parlances, Dominion Day, one of Ireland's most important national public holidays. It was on February 11 that the Assembly of Ireland, the new bicameral legislature, was convened, with Joseph Devlin at the head of its government as the transitional council fully dispersed. In a move of profound symbolism, Devlin chose to call into session the Assembly of Ireland at Parliament House, the home of the pre-1800 Irish legislature, which had since then been used as a bank; this was meant to be a temporary location, and indeed was, for within months the Assembly would be renting the larger Leinster House from the Royal Dublin Society as they debated where to site a new, permanent home for both Houses of the Assembly which they could over time grow into.

Devlin joked, "As we were saying, before we were interrupted," in the first words of his address to the Assembly, eliciting a number of cheers and polite applause, a celebration of Irish parliamentarianism returning after over a century suspended. Street fairs erupted across the island, with businesses closing to celebrate, church bells ringing in anticipation, and even fireworks being launched over the Dublin quays. But Ireland Day was just one day, and it was the day for mirth; there was a tomorrow, after all, and it would be the day after, and the day after that, in which the true hard work of state building began to loom. To what extent was this new Kingdom of Ireland going to eschew its roots as a subsidiary of the British Empire? What kind of relationship would it have with London, which in theory controlled her foreign policy? If Ireland was now co-equal with Canada or Australia, what did that say about Ireland, since those two dominions had begun as colonies? This question, in particular, was an uncomfortable one for Irish nationalists to grapple with.

It was also the case that despite Devlin's Ulster roots and his overtures of magnanimity - he denounced a group of former IRB men who tried to lower the British Union Jack and replace it with St. Patrick's Saltire on the very first day - the Protestant minority in the north was deeply worried about what was to come. The British Army was still barracked on the island, the police still the RIC, and their flag still flew, but how long would these things last? Small-scale violence simmered across Ulster in February and March of 1919, with St. Patrick's Day a particularly violent one even with the internal conflict over. It was after all just five years earlier that the Curragh Mutiny had been staged and had for a brief moment seemed to suggest that Ulster would bring down the power of the British government to protect its interests, and now it was governed not by London but by Dublin directly. Times had changed, rapidly, and there was great trepidation in Belfast, Londonderry and elsewhere about what exactly Ireland would look like five years hence..."

- Ireland Unleashed
Does Ireland becoming a dominion mean that the city remains as "Londonderry" into the 21st century???
 
Do you think there have been any significant changes to various countries regarding the application of the death penalty?
 
As a note for Italy, well the main expense and reason for tension during the war after direct war material was food (grain) as with the straits closed our usual supplier aka Russia so we were forced to go to the americans whose price were higher and same can be said for all the others good.
With Russia, USA and UK out of the war and willing to sell (with different degree) and no general blockade, war expense and restriction for more or less everybody will lower than OTL and if there is a real reason why all the participant at the CEW don't get an economic collapse postwar (excluding the important fact that the war seem shorter) or at least need less money than OTL is probably this
 
I doubt the sum is really that big though. France was OTL a very strong financial power in this period, ahead of Germany in fact. They are better off for now, so there's not reason to suspect they've incurred in a large amount of British debt. Austria was likely in the receiving end of all the French credit that OTL went to Russia, so again, unlikely to owe much to the British. I could see the significant British financing in Italy, given that it was one of the Great Powers who needed it the most for development, and German financial capacity at this point wasn't on par with France or Britain, or the US.
Yeah, Italy is definitely probably the biggest potential finance recipient. France will probably be fine for the first part of the war: the issue will be after the war, when reparations start to become a huge problem
No war in Libya mean a huge bone to the italian economy due to the direct cost of the war and all the money spent later to replenish the equipment lost, plus more political stability will help the general economy and sure that Paris will be forced to get a large amount of debt because even if France is better off they dont' have the kind of money to finance the war, almost nobody had that kind of war...even the British not involved in the war and taking the part of the OTL americans will be capable to finance only a part of it (OTL 1915 USA/UK loan amount at 2 billion of franc and in 1915 at 7,5 billion of francs). OTL the French financed just a fifth of the foreign loan of Russia (in war time, there were a lot of pre existing debt) the bulk was British
Modern warfare are extremely destructive and costly, for this reason i keep saying that the ITTL USA will have serious postwar economic problem and will be poorer than OTL one, regardless of the limited phisical destruction and the limited addition that the south gave to the economy in OTL.
Just for example, Italy spent for the four years of WWI the double of the entire budget of the state from the official declaration of the Kingdom of Italy to the declaration of of war against Austria-Hungary in 1915...and the number don't take in consideration the pension for the veteran and disabled
Yeah, the US will have a much lower baseline postwar to start from, though it’ll work its way back up soon enough. The lack of a Great Depression in the 1930s will help.
Not to mention the demographic catastrophe of millions of deaths and injuries and, of course, the plummeting fertility rates.


Fertility Rate in 1913:

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Fertility Rate in 1919:

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Pretty stark to see the numbers laid out like that - also, interesting that Austria had a slightly lower TFR than Germany!
I do like the idea of Colorado Springs, which until very very recently OTL was a bastion of conservativism and the religious right, being a modern hotbed of the left here.
Hahah that was exactly what I was going for! Glad you noticed
Even if Italy is better off than OTL, it's still one of the "lesser" Great Powers that needs money to continue to industrialize.
Very true
Yes, France will need capital during the war, but at that point the British understand the risk of lending to a country at war, and therefore will act accordingly, either by limiting the amount of loans or establishing collaterals beforehand.
Britain is probably also experienced after lending to the GAW belligerents for three years of similar tempo warfare, so they’ll have more safeguards for European lending
Thinking about the CEW and how would Italy fight it because not only are they a side show, the main one being Germany, both borders with France and Austria favor defence to either side. So what can the Italians can really do, besides tying up very few divisions, maybe Caproni bombers will be the biggest Italian contribution to the war.
Italy’s borders with Austria in the east are easier, so the bulk of their participation will definitely be in that theater
By that point the collateral will be already used, plus limiting the amount of loans mean crippling the French war effort and by this stage everyone with some brain cells will understand that doing that will also mean giving to Germany the control of the continent, so finance will take a backseat in favor of politics. Plus no, France is not better off than OTL due to the massive pre-war military expense, one of the reason that they decided to start a war now is that their economy can't sustain that for long.
France is ahead of OTL, but you are right that their budgets are now unsustainable
Not the kind of money, OTL the reason for the big loan (or better credit line) of 50 millions of pound asked to the British to enter the war was the need to still reequip the army and here will not be needed, not considering that whatever loan France had given to Italy well it can be considered lost unless they win
Italy probably will need to tap financing pretty quickly even with their much superior armed forces here
Does Ireland becoming a dominion mean that the city remains as "Londonderry" into the 21st century???
Yes
Do you think there have been any significant changes to various countries regarding the application of the death penalty?
Perhaps. I’ll be touching on this a bit in the US in the 1920s.
As a note for Italy, well the main expense and reason for tension during the war after direct war material was food (grain) as with the straits closed our usual supplier aka Russia so we were forced to go to the americans whose price were higher and same can be said for all the others good.
With Russia, USA and UK out of the war and willing to sell (with different degree) and no general blockade, war expense and restriction for more or less everybody will lower than OTL and if there is a real reason why all the participant at the CEW don't get an economic collapse postwar (excluding the important fact that the war seem shorter) or at least need less money than OTL is probably this
The open trade will be a huge boon. Nothing like the turnip winter looms for any participant, certainly
 
Wait, how is the fleet situation for our 4 mains? IOTL France transfered their dreadnoughts to the Med because Britain had more than enough to take on Germany, how did the differrent geopolitical situation changed deployment and construction schedules for France? P.S. Can we a get a fleet action pleeeeeease.
 
Wait, how is the fleet situation for our 4 mains? IOTL France transfered their dreadnoughts to the Med because Britain had more than enough to take on Germany, how did the differrent geopolitical situation changed deployment and construction schedules for France? P.S. Can we a get a fleet action pleeeeeease.
It would be amusing along these lines to see Horthy actually engaged in a decisive showdown in the Adriatic
 
It would be amusing along these lines to see Horthy actually engaged in a decisive showdown in the Adriatic
If (when) the Hungarians rebel during the war would be amazing seeing him De Ruytering his way through the former K.u.K and taking the ships with him to Hungary.
 
1919 Chinese national elections
1919 Chinese national elections

Senate of the Republic of China (274 Seats)

Guomindang (Nationalist Party) - 130 Seats (+32)
Jinbudang (Progressive Party) - 123 (-26)
Multi-Party Candidates - 15 (-6)
Independents - 6 (-1)

House of Representatives of the Republic of China (596 Seats)

GMD - 307 Seats (+56)
JBD - 219 Seats (-64)
Independents - 48 Seats (+22)
Multi-Party - 22 Seats (-14)

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"...producing what in effect was a divided government and quickly revealing the limitations of Liang Qichao's 1912 constitution, at least insofar as it was able to produce a stable government representative of constitutional democracy. Arguably, that had not been its intent; after all, the Second Republic's leaders were ex-Qing officials of the more moderate half of the establishment who had sought to undo the autocracy of the First Republic without bending to revolutionaries. Mandarins and oligarchs had been replaced by rule of generals and conservative, traditionalist intellectuals, and while this had provided a fair deal of political (and in Shanghai, Canton and to a lesser extent Hankow and Peking, economic) stability, the 1919 elections served to not only validate the Guomindang's political strategy, but its ideological one too in portraying the Second Republic as hopelessly corrupt and contemptuous of the general public.

The Jinbudang government had good reason to be alarmed. Despite fewer than six percent of Chinese citizens being eligible to vote, the Guomindang in the staggered January and February elections had successfully done what they had hoped to do in the last two elections and become the largest party in the House of Representatives, seeing the Jinbudang suffer severe losses and earning an outright majority which, when paired in one-off circumstances with sympathetic multi-party candidates [1] and independents, gave them a commanding position in that body. The Senate was an even more impressive victory; despite the considerable headwinds in individual provinces (such as the Jinbudang's practice of appointing senators "in absentia" from the "lost provinces" of 1901 and the Civil War) the Guomindang was nonetheless able to end the Jinbudang's outright majority and become the largest faction, able to earn majorities through crossover votes more easily than the government. While it was a narrow result there compared to their landslide in the House, the outcome was an utter humiliation for the government, and foretold of a newer, more muscular nationalism. It was argued that the crowds in Canton that met Song Chiao-jen as he addressed raucous supporters may have numbered over a million, a throng so massive that dozens were killed of asphyxiation in the crush. The party's red flag with its blue and white star was flown from buildings in place of the Republic's five-colored banner; marches and demonstrations were held streets not just in the party's bastion of Canton but across China. The factionalism that had assailed the party was no more; left-wing figures such as Liao Chongkai and Wang Chao-ming (who would be better known in the future as Wang Jingwei) stood beside Song, Hu Hanmin on the steps of the National Assembly in Nanking as the new Assembly was convened, publicly insinuating that with this paradigm shift a "third republic" was upon China with the results of the election; Sun Yat-sen, for his part, named the election "the Revolution of Joy" and was, at least for a brief moment, dispelled of his notion that China was not ready for democracy and that the Guomindang would need to "guide" the country there via his Three Principles.

The Second Republic's reputation as the "Parliamentary Republic" was only due to the immense power vested in the Cabinet and its power over legislation, taxation, and all manner of other privileges; this was in part a byproduct of Liang, who had once joined Kang Youwei in advocating a constitutional imperial monarchy, viewing the Presidency of the Republic as a stand-in for the Chinese monarchy. However, one extremely important role vested in the office of the President that was not ceremonial was the exclusive right of the President of China to appoint not only regional governors but the Prime Minister, who in turn would assemble a cabinet of his peers. This had been done to serve as a check on the powers of the National Assembly, making the legislature responsible to the people in triennial elections but looking to the German, French and Russian models for how to appoint the most powerful figure of that government. The Second Republic's founders had intentionally designed their system to benefit what would become the Jinbudang, and they had little interest in changing course on that. While the choice of a provincial governor could be blocked by a simple majority of both houses or a two-thirds majority of Senators from that province and cabinet ministers could be impeached through a somewhat straightforward process, the appointment of a Prime Minister could not be defeated by the legislature, and in that provision lay the seeds of the crisis that would before long consume the Second Republic and bring it to an end.

Following the elections, President Li was left with a dilemma. The Jinbudang's patronage machine had failed it, particularly getting annihilated across much of the South and, increasingly, in Shanghai and Nanking, areas it had hoped would serve as its strongholds. The violence of the 1917 Presidential elections had suggested to him that a victorious Guomindang would mean anarchy and potentially another civil war, opening the door to a Manchurian-Russian re-invasion of China that could credibly threaten Nanking. However, while he was hardly a liberal and strongly supportive of the centralized government, Li was wary of completely ignoring the results of the election. Here he received conflicting advice; Wu Tingfang, a respected figure who was now nearly eighty, declined the potential of replacing his protege Tang Shaoyi as a unity Prime Minister but did propose that such a Cabinet that drew on nonpartisan as well as partisan figures across the Chinese political spectrum be formed. Tang, who was eyeing the Presidency in 1922, disagreed, and found support from the ruthless Minister of Patrol Qian Nengxun in suggesting instead that the government crack down aggressively on the Guomindang's revolutionary cells and aggressively prosecute an effort to curtail "all counter-statal activities." Liang Qichao sought to split the difference - he advised that a nonpartisan Prime Minister be appointed, perhaps the broadly popular Wang Zhanyuan, and that the Guomindang instead of Cabinet be given first say on provincial governors. If they afterwards attempted to stage a general strike or revolution, then they could be crushed.

Li hated both of those suggestions, particularly appointing his rival Wang to serve as Prime Minister, but he viewed his duty to China being that of avoiding an anarchic revolution, and upon the convening of the Assembly, announced that he would relieve Tang Shaoyi as Prime Minister to allow him instead to serve as Foreign Minister in the government of Xu Shichang, one of Liang's closest confidants. The Assembly was stunned - Song had gone so far as to schedule a banquet to celebrate his appointment as Prime Minister. Li attempted to split the difference in offering Song the Ministry of Finance and thus grant the Guomindang powerful influence over the Chinese economy, but Song politely declined. In the letter, which was made public to the Guomindang's lettered base of support, Song stated, "It goes against the precepts of this moment of democratic change to refuse to appoint the choice of the electorate as the government. I will not betray the people's confidence, and I will not paper over this great injustice."

Part of Li's hope in his poorly-planned gambit was to split the famously factional Guomindang in half. Inviting Song, Hu, and other "rightists" into government had been intended to be an olive branch towards a unity Cabinet that would pointedly exclude the "leftists" thought to be close to Sun, who was canny enough to read the tea leaves and immediately head into exile in Tokyo in anticipation of a violent crackdown. But Song did not take the bait. The Guomindang's fiery young leader proposed his own unity cabinet, one in which the Guomindang held two-thirds of the ministries but acknowledged a divided government by reserving the other third, including the powerful Foreign Ministry, for Li's Jinbudang. This too was rebuffed - Li's missives noted bluntly that the President had sole discretion in appointing a Prime Minister, and the executive was "uninterested," in exact words, of "an inexperienced campaigner serving in such a critical role." This justification was nonsense and was understood accordingly, but once again Song refused to take the bait and agitate in the streets; rather, Song announced that the Guomindang would "serve the people from the halls of the Assembly" and "do our constitutional duty."

This did split the Guomindang, though in a way that in the long run benefitted Song. Liao proposed a general strike and was swiftly arrested even in friendly Canton; his arrest sparked street brawls between the Guomindang's paramilitary wing, the friendly Cantonese police, and the national gendarmes of the Republican Army who had been sent south to carry out the arrest. The confinement of Liao and, before long, Wang in the Canton City Prison, which was place under heavy guard and evacuated of non-critical prisoners by Nanking, quickly made both of them heroes to the street, but they could do little from jail. Song, on the other hand, relished in his role as the chief of an embittered and aggrieved democratic opposition, which defeat legislation sometimes arbitrarily and vetoed provincial governors at will. Making clear his opposition to violent resistance, Song gave Li little opening to have him arrested, and a truly apocalyptic confrontation was avoided.

Nonetheless, the Second Republic had been fatally wounded. The demonstrations against Li and his "hatchet man" Qian intensified into a mass movement on May 4th, [2] when across China hundreds of thousands gathered to demand the appointment of a democratic government and, in a more nationalistic vein, demand that China take advantage of the eruption of the Central European War and "undo" the humiliations of 1901 by seizing European concessions and treaty ports. The protesters were hardly the poor working class but rather university students, Western-educated merchants, and other members of the Chinese literati, and the explosion in left-colored nationalism that flowed out from the March 4th Movement became the underpinning of the next several years, a time that Sun himself before long came to term "the Constitutional Struggle." Li, Liang and their core coterie did not realize it yet, but the hourglass had been turned on the Second Republic..."

- An Unfinished Revolution: The Second Chinese Republic, 1912-1924

[1] No idea how this works in practice, but it was a thing during China's brief 1910s experiment with democracy.
[2] When writing about 1910s China on May 4th, I couldn't not, lol
 
1919 Chinese national elections

Senate of the Republic of China (274 Seats)

Guomindang (Nationalist Party) - 130 Seats (+32)
Jinbudang (Progressive Party) - 123 (-26)
Multi-Party Candidates - 15 (-6)
Independents - 6 (-1)

House of Representatives of the Republic of China (596 Seats)

GMD - 307 Seats (+56)
JBD - 219 Seats (-64)
Independents - 48 Seats (+22)
Multi-Party - 22 Seats (-14)

------------

"...producing what in effect was a divided government and quickly revealing the limitations of Liang Qichao's 1912 constitution, at least insofar as it was able to produce a stable government representative of constitutional democracy. Arguably, that had not been its intent; after all, the Second Republic's leaders were ex-Qing officials of the more moderate half of the establishment who had sought to undo the autocracy of the First Republic without bending to revolutionaries. Mandarins and oligarchs had been replaced by rule of generals and conservative, traditionalist intellectuals, and while this had provided a fair deal of political (and in Shanghai, Canton and to a lesser extent Hankow and Peking, economic) stability, the 1919 elections served to not only validate the Guomindang's political strategy, but its ideological one too in portraying the Second Republic as hopelessly corrupt and contemptuous of the general public.

The Jinbudang government had good reason to be alarmed. Despite fewer than six percent of Chinese citizens being eligible to vote, the Guomindang in the staggered January and February elections had successfully done what they had hoped to do in the last two elections and become the largest party in the House of Representatives, seeing the Jinbudang suffer severe losses and earning an outright majority which, when paired in one-off circumstances with sympathetic multi-party candidates [1] and independents, gave them a commanding position in that body. The Senate was an even more impressive victory; despite the considerable headwinds in individual provinces (such as the Jinbudang's practice of appointing senators "in absentia" from the "lost provinces" of 1901 and the Civil War) the Guomindang was nonetheless able to end the Jinbudang's outright majority and become the largest faction, able to earn majorities through crossover votes more easily than the government. While it was a narrow result there compared to their landslide in the House, the outcome was an utter humiliation for the government, and foretold of a newer, more muscular nationalism. It was argued that the crowds in Canton that met Song Chiao-jen as he addressed raucous supporters may have numbered over a million, a throng so massive that dozens were killed of asphyxiation in the crush. The party's red flag with its blue and white star was flown from buildings in place of the Republic's five-colored banner; marches and demonstrations were held streets not just in the party's bastion of Canton but across China. The factionalism that had assailed the party was no more; left-wing figures such as Liao Chongkai and Wang Chao-ming (who would be better known in the future as Wang Jingwei) stood beside Song, Hu Hanmin on the steps of the National Assembly in Nanking as the new Assembly was convened, publicly insinuating that with this paradigm shift a "third republic" was upon China with the results of the election; Sun Yat-sen, for his part, named the election "the Revolution of Joy" and was, at least for a brief moment, dispelled of his notion that China was not ready for democracy and that the Guomindang would need to "guide" the country there via his Three Principles.

The Second Republic's reputation as the "Parliamentary Republic" was only due to the immense power vested in the Cabinet and its power over legislation, taxation, and all manner of other privileges; this was in part a byproduct of Liang, who had once joined Kang Youwei in advocating a constitutional imperial monarchy, viewing the Presidency of the Republic as a stand-in for the Chinese monarchy. However, one extremely important role vested in the office of the President that was not ceremonial was the exclusive right of the President of China to appoint not only regional governors but the Prime Minister, who in turn would assemble a cabinet of his peers. This had been done to serve as a check on the powers of the National Assembly, making the legislature responsible to the people in triennial elections but looking to the German, French and Russian models for how to appoint the most powerful figure of that government. The Second Republic's founders had intentionally designed their system to benefit what would become the Jinbudang, and they had little interest in changing course on that. While the choice of a provincial governor could be blocked by a simple majority of both houses or a two-thirds majority of Senators from that province and cabinet ministers could be impeached through a somewhat straightforward process, the appointment of a Prime Minister could not be defeated by the legislature, and in that provision lay the seeds of the crisis that would before long consume the Second Republic and bring it to an end.

Following the elections, President Li was left with a dilemma. The Jinbudang's patronage machine had failed it, particularly getting annihilated across much of the South and, increasingly, in Shanghai and Nanking, areas it had hoped would serve as its strongholds. The violence of the 1917 Presidential elections had suggested to him that a victorious Guomindang would mean anarchy and potentially another civil war, opening the door to a Manchurian-Russian re-invasion of China that could credibly threaten Nanking. However, while he was hardly a liberal and strongly supportive of the centralized government, Li was wary of completely ignoring the results of the election. Here he received conflicting advice; Wu Tingfang, a respected figure who was now nearly eighty, declined the potential of replacing his protege Tang Shaoyi as a unity Prime Minister but did propose that such a Cabinet that drew on nonpartisan as well as partisan figures across the Chinese political spectrum be formed. Tang, who was eyeing the Presidency in 1922, disagreed, and found support from the ruthless Minister of Patrol Qian Nengxun in suggesting instead that the government crack down aggressively on the Guomindang's revolutionary cells and aggressively prosecute an effort to curtail "all counter-statal activities." Liang Qichao sought to split the difference - he advised that a nonpartisan Prime Minister be appointed, perhaps the broadly popular Wang Zhanyuan, and that the Guomindang instead of Cabinet be given first say on provincial governors. If they afterwards attempted to stage a general strike or revolution, then they could be crushed.

Li hated both of those suggestions, particularly appointing his rival Wang to serve as Prime Minister, but he viewed his duty to China being that of avoiding an anarchic revolution, and upon the convening of the Assembly, announced that he would relieve Tang Shaoyi as Prime Minister to allow him instead to serve as Foreign Minister in the government of Xu Shichang, one of Liang's closest confidants. The Assembly was stunned - Song had gone so far as to schedule a banquet to celebrate his appointment as Prime Minister. Li attempted to split the difference in offering Song the Ministry of Finance and thus grant the Guomindang powerful influence over the Chinese economy, but Song politely declined. In the letter, which was made public to the Guomindang's lettered base of support, Song stated, "It goes against the precepts of this moment of democratic change to refuse to appoint the choice of the electorate as the government. I will not betray the people's confidence, and I will not paper over this great injustice."

Part of Li's hope in his poorly-planned gambit was to split the famously factional Guomindang in half. Inviting Song, Hu, and other "rightists" into government had been intended to be an olive branch towards a unity Cabinet that would pointedly exclude the "leftists" thought to be close to Sun, who was canny enough to read the tea leaves and immediately head into exile in Tokyo in anticipation of a violent crackdown. But Song did not take the bait. The Guomindang's fiery young leader proposed his own unity cabinet, one in which the Guomindang held two-thirds of the ministries but acknowledged a divided government by reserving the other third, including the powerful Foreign Ministry, for Li's Jinbudang. This too was rebuffed - Li's missives noted bluntly that the President had sole discretion in appointing a Prime Minister, and the executive was "uninterested," in exact words, of "an inexperienced campaigner serving in such a critical role." This justification was nonsense and was understood accordingly, but once again Song refused to take the bait and agitate in the streets; rather, Song announced that the Guomindang would "serve the people from the halls of the Assembly" and "do our constitutional duty."

This did split the Guomindang, though in a way that in the long run benefitted Song. Liao proposed a general strike and was swiftly arrested even in friendly Canton; his arrest sparked street brawls between the Guomindang's paramilitary wing, the friendly Cantonese police, and the national gendarmes of the Republican Army who had been sent south to carry out the arrest. The confinement of Liao and, before long, Wang in the Canton City Prison, which was place under heavy guard and evacuated of non-critical prisoners by Nanking, quickly made both of them heroes to the street, but they could do little from jail. Song, on the other hand, relished in his role as the chief of an embittered and aggrieved democratic opposition, which defeat legislation sometimes arbitrarily and vetoed provincial governors at will. Making clear his opposition to violent resistance, Song gave Li little opening to have him arrested, and a truly apocalyptic confrontation was avoided.

Nonetheless, the Second Republic had been fatally wounded. The demonstrations against Li and his "hatchet man" Qian intensified into a mass movement on May 4th, [2] when across China hundreds of thousands gathered to demand the appointment of a democratic government and, in a more nationalistic vein, demand that China take advantage of the eruption of the Central European War and "undo" the humiliations of 1901 by seizing European concessions and treaty ports. The protesters were hardly the poor working class but rather university students, Western-educated merchants, and other members of the Chinese literati, and the explosion in left-colored nationalism that flowed out from the March 4th Movement became the underpinning of the next several years, a time that Sun himself before long came to term "the Constitutional Struggle." Li, Liang and their core coterie did not realize it yet, but the hourglass had been turned on the Second Republic..."

- An Unfinished Revolution: The Second Chinese Republic, 1912-1924

[1] No idea how this works in practice, but it was a thing during China's brief 1910s experiment with democracy.
[2] When writing about 1910s China on May 4th, I couldn't not, lol
Amazing work! And here we have yet another explosion waiting to happen
 

Indiana Beach Crow

Monthly Donor
Do you think there have been any significant changes to various countries regarding the application of the death penalty?
Wisconsin abolishing the death penalty pre-dates the POD by 10 years, so if anything it might be accelerated in the rest of the USA without the South adding the death penalty as an option to everything during the Jim Crow-era.
 
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A Storm in the Orient
"...nobody had suspected a war loomed on the horizon when 1918 dawned; but just twelve months later, it seemed that something was in the air, and it was entirely unclear what exactly was going to provide a diplomatic off-ramp to avoid a war.

The last time Europe had seemed poised on the brink of open war to the point that mobilization plans were being dusted off was not the series of crises over Monaco or Serbia in the early 1910s [1] but rather instead that of Siam in 1892; the Bangkok Crisis, or Gunboat Crisis in German historiography, had nearly brought France, Germany and maybe even Britain into a shooting war over Siamese independence and its position in their respective Oriental empires. That near-miss, which had invited newspaper headlines that declared WAR IN SIGHT, had been followed by nearly three decades of general peace. Napoleon IV and his German counterpart Heinrich I had, albeit unofficially, committed themselves to an off-and-on deepening of economic and political bonds known as the Great Detente which while having largely died as a concrete program with the French Emperor had nonetheless built a culture of trust between Paris and Berlin in the decade 1895-1905. The collapse of Spanish authority in the Philippines and their subsequent annihilation at sea by the Japanese had triggered not another war crisis but a Triple Intervention which had given Germany control of the eastern two-thirds of Mindanao as a colony and an Anglo-French economic vassalage over the remaining Philippines, a set of circumstances hashed out over Spanish and Japanese heads that forgave any lingering bad blood over Germany's early exit from the Boxer War with a permanent cession of Amoy and economic control deep into its hinterland.

The spirit of Amsterdam was entirely gone by 1919, and not just due to escalating Franco-German enmity. The Philippine Revolution had terrified European powers, but the Ghadar Mutiny in India in February of 1915, which had concluded in a two-year civil war in Punjab and considerable concerns in London over the stability of India, had been a near-apocalypse for European influence in the East. That the Mutiny had been followed by the so-called May Revolution in French Indochina, in which tens of thousands of Vietnamese had revolted under the banner of the boy-emperor Duy Tan, had created even more of a siege mentality in colonial capitals such as Delhi, Hanoi, or Batavia. Flowing outwards from Canton, Shanghai and to a lesser extent Hongkong was a revolutionary anti-imperialist and rejectionist ideology of "Pan-Asianism," inspired by the increasingly powerful Guomindang (Nationalist Party) of China which in February 1919 won effective control of both houses of the Republic of China's legislature. At the other end of the spectrum sat Japan, which while skeptical of the republicanism and revolutionary leftism inherent in the thinking that the Guomindang and Philippine Katipunan parties were inspiring across Asia nonetheless supported a line of "Asia for the Asians" and increasingly viewed Europe's presence in Asia as an affront, taking the stance that Japan was the rightful north star of the Orient and that Europe was trespassing in her backyard. The Orient was thus a tinderbox waiting to erupt, but also very much a secondary theater to the tensions that were about to envelop Europe. Nonetheless, the nuances of the rivalries in place there are important to understand in the context of the opportunistic war that was to come.

Much of the conflict that would envelop East Asia at the turn of the 1920s stemmed from France's longstanding position as the pole power of the Orient and the gradual, decades-long erosion of that power. [2] France had participated in the Second Opium War alongside Britain but come away with only a financial compensation after four years of intervention, unlike the British who had earned themselves Kowloon. The French, buffeted by their victory in Mexico and needing a nationalist jolt after their loss to Germany in the Third Unification War, was able to quickly prosecute a war against Korea in 1870 that earned them a protectorate over the peninsula and a treaty port in Busan, a series of events which quickly brought them into conflict with China and Japan, neither of which was particularly interested in seeing Korea in French hands; a series of proxy skirmishes and attempted putsches in Korea saw Japan's influence temporarily wane, but France would fight the Sino-French War in 1884-85 to fully remove Chinese influence from both Korea and Tonkin and earning them land cessions of Formosa and Hainan, a series of events that left France as the hegemon of East Asia, for a time.

This position in Asia meant that there needed to be a full naval presence there, and France was happy to oblige. It enjoyed the second largest navy in the world, still narrowly ahead of the United States with the conclusion of the Great American War, and unlike Germany thus possessed the ability to deploy dreadnoughts at Cam Ranh, the sheltered bay northeast of Saigon that served as France's answer to Hongkong or Singapore. It also proved a perfect central location from which to threaten the sea lanes between Canton and Hongkong towards Singapore and the Straits of Molucca, and when taken in tandem with their destroyer base at Takow on Formosa and the submarine and cruiser base in the Pescadores, the French controlled both entrances to the South China sea and could, theoretically, close the Formosa Strait at their leisure. It was this set of circumstances that, as France embarked on a massive naval rearmament program with the advent of the Boxer War, had led to major British investments at Singapore and also a sense in Germany that they needed a more constructive program in the Orient.

This was not always easy to manage in Berlin. While German newspapers often complained about the Reich's lack of colonial prestige, Germany had, through careful maneuvering, assembled quite the overseas empire by the end of the 1910s, managing to leverage good but non-allied relations with Britain into a massive windfall in southwest-central Africa in 1916. This had, ironically, led in part to a decline in German interest in Asia; with its vast new African territories that included the mineral-rich Katanga Plateau, German fast cruisers, the backbone of their fleet, were now more valuable deployed to defend their massive holdings on the Atlantic, rather than worry as much about scattered islands in the Carolines, the Bismarck Archipelago, ungovernable Mindanao, or their protectorate over Cambodia. The same fear of German expansionism in Africa - exacerbated by the Congo Crises of 1918 - in Paris was counterbalanced by an increasing sense in the halls of the Governor-General in Hanoi that German interest in the Orient was waning, and that there was little the German Ostasienflotte, comprising of little more than a handful of cruisers spread between its small naval bases at Amoy, Kampong Som in Cambodia and Davau in the East Indies, could do to resist in the event of war. France was worried about Germany in Europe, but in the Orient, a clique of particularly aggressive colonial officers who had spent their entire careers - in some cases entire lives - in Hanoi, Saigon and Taipeh saw an opportunity to dramatically redraw the borders of the French Orient and undo the embarrassment of 1892 at last.

This was the crux of the issue - the rivalry between Germany and France in Africa, Europe, even the Americas was playing out differently in East Asia, a territory where France wholly had the upper hand if it was seen as a binary matter but where there were also a number of other players involved who were total wildcards. The most obvious was Japan, which coveted a stronger position in the Philippines as well as the island of Formosa and the final removal of French influence from Korea, but also China and the Netherlands. China was for understandable reasons fairly agnostic about European squabbles but highly opportunistic, and thanks to geography and recent history was more naturally inclined to sympathize with Germany. It was France who after all had humiliated China thirty years earlier and stripped them of Formosa, Hainan and Kwangchow Wan, and then seized Chefou in 1901 for good measure at the conclusion of the Boxer Wars. Germany was an imperialist power, yes, but her most prestigious colony did not lie on China's borders, nor did it exercise the type of undo influence internally in China as France did over the provinces of Yunnan and Kwangshi.

The Netherlands, for its part, had a different set of incentives. It was generally Germanophilic in European affairs and took pride in its neutrality, but in the matters of the Orient, it was vehemently Francophile. The Koninklijke Marine existed almost exclusively to defend the Dutch East Indies (DEI), and the emergence of two resistance movements - one republican and inspired by the Katipunan and Guomindang, the other politically Islamic, both revolutionary and anti-imperialist - in their crown jewel colony terrified not just the professional and capable administrators in Batavia but the conservative governments in the Binnenhof, the Dutch Parliament. As such, the Dutch quickly came to view France's position in the Orient as the most resistant to "revolutionary pan-Asianism" that was thought to be inspired ideologically by Cantonese intellectuals and financed in an ambitious Japan, a Japan which the Dutch suspected planned to eventually seize Formosa by force, vassalize the Philippines, and then move on the East Indies as a resource colony. The French thus had an important and powerful friend in the neighborhood, and while there was no formal alignment - again, the Dutch valued neutrality in Europe as a matter of longstanding policy - Paris was highly aware that they enjoyed tacit Dutch support in the Orient and planned accordingly, both in political maneuvers and in how they structured their colonial defenses..."

- A Storm in the Orient

[1] A wholly bizarre but very Cinco de Mayo sentence
[2] Some of this is a refresher from stuff forty years ago in the TL, and also an effort to contextualize it all in one place.
 
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