Still not as cold as US/UK relations after the Fenian Raids.
Still not as cold as US/UK relations after the Fenian Raids.
This is great as usual @EnglishCanuck, please keep it up. Personally I'm also desperately curious to see how we dodge a second US/UK war here... wait have you actually confirmed this doesn't turn into another war?
Do you have a real-world parallel for how you see your alt Canada developing? I get some shades of Finland:
Also, cold.
- Low pop density,
- Agrarian with some industry,
- Militarised out of suspicion of a much larger neighbour who they've got 'history' with; and
- A risk of being part of larger countries' power games.
Still not as cold as US/UK relations after the Fenian Raids.
I am guessing that the crew of the Shannon will be hanged as pirates and the US will, after some blustering, look for opportunities to find someone they can claim were mere pirates somewhere soon along the line.
Oh. Here's the sketchy successor.
Welp McClellan is still being true to his character with another of his masterful retreats I feel bad for his son to be raised by such a man and then backlash of his presidency and his upcoming ruined reputation children shouldn't have the sins of there father but all the animosity little mac is making is not gonna help them in there lives.
And well we found the fool who's gonna take America to its darkest period and it's hooker eugh and Sickles included great seriously it's like the democrats want to be burned at the stake for this cavalcade of screw-ups and future failures.
Also I feel like Seymour is growing Grey from trying to keep his party from shattering and also keeping peace with Europe. I would feel bad for him if he wasn't a racist that look the other way when McClellan basically left the usct on the curb and didn't help them take back there families and the Grey terror and most importantly helping to end the war. So I hope he has buyers remorse with McClellan and his role leading to his parties demonization in the future.
So reap what you sow Seymour reap what you sow.
Also here's a funny image of Grant's decapitation of Seymour it's cathartic.
Does anything think we get something similar here cause it's almost to date that this was published.
When Grant Literally Decapitated Seymour (at least Cartoon Grant did)! Nov. 1868 - The Reconstruction Era
By the evening of November 3, 1868 it was pretty clear to most informed observers that Ulysses S. Grant had been elected president. If you...thereconstructionera.com
Problem is the knights of golden circle which is the expansionist granddaddy of the kkk which with the rise of the csa are gonna be at the forefront of the expansion of slavery and likely want a bite of cuba. So theres that problem ongoing to replace the kkk and i hope they do something to take cuba cause that would be fine for them to take that from spain and deal with that madness.About the only consolation I can offer is that the KKK does not exist in TTL at all. Helpfully with the first Grand Wizard being dead...
Atleast Lincolns boys have the advantage in that there father lead the nation to survive against a two front war. While Jr has to contend with his fathers less than stellar war record which Is gonna be even more scrutinized by the press for all the details for more ruin to his image and the whole clown car of a presidency which lead to the darkest days of America that's a stain that's gonna last for at least a generation if not more.George McClellan Jr. is going to learn a few things from his father at least. Namely, don't trust politicians. He's also going to have the very unenviable task of salvaging his family's reputation. Something he shares with the Lincoln boys.
Problem is the knights of golden circle which is the expansionist granddaddy of the kkk which with the rise of the csa are gonna be at the forefront of the expansion of slavery and likely want a bite of cuba. So theres that problem ongoing to replace the kkk and i hope they do something to take cuba cause that would be fine for them to take that from spain and deal with that madness.
Knights of the Golden Circle - Wikipedia
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At least Lincolns boys have the advantage in that there father lead the nation to survive against a two front war. While Jr has to contend with his fathers less than stellar war record which Is gonna be even more scrutinized by the press for all the details for more ruin to his image and the whole clown car of a presidency which lead to the darkest days of America that's a stain that's gonna last for at least a generation if not more.
I always thought Joseph Hooker makes an interesting alternate president, so I'm glad that this TL appears to be utilizing him for the future. It seems that he is always destined to play the role of villain, however, considering that is the part he plays in the collaborative TL I did a while back and seems likely to play ITTL.
When the story broke in October, it sent shock waves through the domestic political scene and immediate inquiries were demanded into the conduct of the Minister of War.
Oh he certainly feels regret. He thought that McClellan was a compromise candidate who could end the war, which to be fair, he did. Just not in the way anyone but the worst Copperheads had hoped for. He has also been continuously surprised by how inept his boss is at handling the day to day political matters of factionalism and the spoils system, which has generated resentment towards the president. McClellan will be completely shocked when he learns how little support he retains amongst his party! Seymour meanwhile is something of a bright light for moderate Democrats who hope he may do something to salvage the party.
I imagine in the 1960's at the latest you'd see alt histories where Lincoln wins a second term and manages to outlast the South and wins the Civil War.
Honestly Butler being forced to retire doesn't surprise me and Britain is just continually astonished by McClellan's lack of any real leadership, at least with Lincoln it was just being dealt a bad hand, a serious case of bad luck and a lot of unforeseeable circumstances. McClellan was warned early multiple times by multiple people and still stuck his head in the sand.
Just a minor mistake here: It should be "Secretary of War" here, which is of course how you properly titled the job up earlier in the installment.
"McClellan is to me one of the mysteries of the war. As a young man he was always a mystery. He had the way of inspiring you with the idea of immense capacity, if he would only have a chance." -- Ulysses S. Grant
The United States in our timeline had some extraordinary luck in getting the commanding general into the White House that it ended up with, even if it might not always have seemed like that at the time (or the years immediately thereafter). But this is probably not an unreasonable projection you have here of how a President McClellan would have fared, given the point of departure you start with. A man not without some considerable gifts, but in utterly over his head, once again - with tragic consequences.
Grant never understood McClellan, and in his memoirs he is kinder to him than his deserts. But Grant never had the chance to work with him. His judgment was made from afar, without access to much of the relevant information on which to form a judgment.
What he's good at would be good for even an OTL McClellan winning in 1864, where the Confederacy is one good kick from collapse. He was conciliatory to the extreme, had a vision and a way with railroads and industry, and could probably have used the emerging post-war Democrats (even former Southern Democrats) as a crutch to make up for his lack of political acumen. So long as he let the enemy up gracefully - and they kowtowed appropriately - he would use them. The strengths of a man like this in a minimal/non-existent Reconstruction (or even an averted civil war TL) would make him at least a President of middling capacity. Unremarkable, but not terrible for the job.